1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,320 and 2 00:00:27,590 --> 00:00:13,700 [Music] 3 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:31,260 hello and welcome to the show I am 4 00:00:34,950 --> 00:00:33,370 Martin Willis your host and this is 5 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:34,960 podcast UFO 6 00:00:41,010 --> 00:00:38,800 I always forget to say that so oh you 7 00:00:43,470 --> 00:00:41,020 were expecting probably a different show 8 00:00:46,740 --> 00:00:43,480 because we had a show scheduled today 9 00:00:50,850 --> 00:00:46,750 with Robert Roberto that is pinata of 10 00:00:54,570 --> 00:00:50,860 Italy somehow things got crossed and 11 00:00:55,610 --> 00:00:54,580 anyway he just wasn't available and when 12 00:00:58,110 --> 00:00:55,620 you're dealing with someone that's 13 00:00:59,970 --> 00:00:58,120 international I tried for over a week 14 00:01:01,350 --> 00:00:59,980 trying to make sure this would work so I 15 00:01:05,820 --> 00:01:01,360 had a lot of time into it it didn't work 16 00:01:09,180 --> 00:01:05,830 and so I scrambled and I was very lucky 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:09,190 to get Alejandro Rojas to come in for 18 00:01:13,650 --> 00:01:11,770 the first part of the show so we can 19 00:01:15,749 --> 00:01:13,660 have a show actually and then Mac 20 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:15,759 Maloney repeat guest Mac Maloney is 21 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:17,110 always a character and always fun to 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:18,310 have on he's going to be on in the 23 00:01:22,230 --> 00:01:20,770 second part of the show if you're 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:22,240 supporting the show I want to thank you 25 00:01:25,950 --> 00:01:24,130 so much anyone can do that even on 26 00:01:27,540 --> 00:01:25,960 YouTube or the dark matter digital 27 00:01:32,279 --> 00:01:27,550 network anywhere all you have to do is 28 00:01:36,990 --> 00:01:32,289 go to podcast UFO dark calm and sign-in 29 00:01:40,139 --> 00:01:37,000 at the support the show bar and so that 30 00:01:42,419 --> 00:01:40,149 I think is it and we're ready to roll 31 00:01:45,540 --> 00:01:42,429 with my guest for the first part 32 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:45,550 alejandro good to see you and thanks for 33 00:01:52,859 --> 00:01:50,110 thanks for filling in these the shoes of 34 00:01:57,660 --> 00:01:52,869 the guy that didn't show up my pleasure 35 00:02:00,270 --> 00:01:57,670 my friend yeah so it's been a let's see 36 00:02:01,949 --> 00:02:00,280 last week you weren't on because in the 37 00:02:05,309 --> 00:02:01,959 week before you weren't on so you've had 38 00:02:07,260 --> 00:02:05,319 a little bit of gap so did you have a 39 00:02:13,410 --> 00:02:07,270 show last week I did it was a 40 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:13,420 pre-recorded oh okay yeah so anyway so 41 00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:14,950 it's been a couple weeks we made it 42 00:02:21,180 --> 00:02:17,440 through the UFO Congress that went well 43 00:02:25,260 --> 00:02:21,190 a lot of good feedback from a lot of 44 00:02:28,350 --> 00:02:25,270 people about all that and so let's let's 45 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:28,360 just talk about how that when I thought 46 00:02:35,069 --> 00:02:31,510 it went just absolutely great it went 47 00:02:37,070 --> 00:02:35,079 very well that's it isn't it that's all 48 00:02:42,650 --> 00:02:37,080 you guys 49 00:02:46,660 --> 00:02:42,660 yes it did go well I felt you know 50 00:02:49,130 --> 00:02:46,670 luckily we had a lot of people there 51 00:02:50,660 --> 00:02:49,140 surprisingly and you know I don't know 52 00:02:54,290 --> 00:02:50,670 if anybody noticed this nobody's 53 00:02:56,420 --> 00:02:54,300 commented which is interesting I noticed 54 00:02:59,089 --> 00:02:56,430 this big-time but others don't seem to 55 00:03:01,160 --> 00:02:59,099 as much we didn't have as much press 56 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:01,170 coverage usually I have you know a 57 00:03:07,130 --> 00:03:03,810 little piece from every television 58 00:03:08,449 --> 00:03:07,140 station in the Phoenix area to share 59 00:03:12,620 --> 00:03:08,459 with people on our Facebook and 60 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:12,630 everything but we did have some of the 61 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:14,370 TV stations out there but they didn't 62 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:18,510 really film much interestingly enough 63 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:22,650 that we did get some footage on luckily 64 00:03:27,949 --> 00:03:26,400 AZ centrally which is a website for the 65 00:03:30,380 --> 00:03:27,959 Arizona Republic which is a big 66 00:03:33,770 --> 00:03:30,390 newspaper out here the newspaper covered 67 00:03:35,449 --> 00:03:33,780 us quite a bit and she came in and the 68 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:35,459 reporter who I think was an intern 69 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:37,650 actually she asked a couple questions 70 00:03:42,710 --> 00:03:40,769 during the Travis Walton panel and then 71 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:42,720 they went backstage and she filmed this 72 00:03:47,180 --> 00:03:44,730 short little interview with Travis and 73 00:03:49,910 --> 00:03:47,190 she wrote a great story about that but 74 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:49,920 luckily that didn't seem to have any 75 00:03:54,110 --> 00:03:52,590 effect on attendance except for who 76 00:03:56,259 --> 00:03:54,120 knows maybe we would have had more but 77 00:03:59,840 --> 00:03:56,269 it was packed it was really full 78 00:04:03,289 --> 00:03:59,850 standing room only for for you know 79 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:03,299 Friday and Saturday so and even 80 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:04,650 throughout the week it was really a 81 00:04:10,069 --> 00:04:08,010 packed house so and a lot of the 82 00:04:14,150 --> 00:04:10,079 speaker's did a great job with their 83 00:04:20,060 --> 00:04:14,160 presentations and so it was it was a 84 00:04:22,009 --> 00:04:20,070 unwi chem did you say the reason why the 85 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:22,019 press wasn't there wasn't it because of 86 00:04:28,250 --> 00:04:25,889 the rain yeah so which is funny if it 87 00:04:30,290 --> 00:04:28,260 rained in Phoenix that's the big news 88 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:30,300 and they often say that they say we'll 89 00:04:38,029 --> 00:04:35,250 be there unless it rains and and because 90 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:38,039 it you know it rarely rains out here so 91 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:40,710 when it does rain I guess it's just kind 92 00:04:44,629 --> 00:04:42,510 of like if there's a major blizzard you 93 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:44,639 know and where you live or something 94 00:04:48,170 --> 00:04:46,080 like that that's all the news is how 95 00:04:50,610 --> 00:04:48,180 because it's a directly affecting 96 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:50,620 people's lives so how what's going on 97 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:52,240 here and there I mean we didn't have 98 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:54,010 anything big like flooding or anything 99 00:04:57,900 --> 00:04:56,410 like that but yeah we had some rain the 100 00:04:59,400 --> 00:04:57,910 first couple of days and I think that 101 00:05:03,990 --> 00:04:59,410 kind of stymied things from the 102 00:05:06,379 --> 00:05:04,000 beginning but luckily we still had a 103 00:05:09,870 --> 00:05:06,389 great time and everything went well so 104 00:05:11,810 --> 00:05:09,880 yeah pretty funny yeah now one of the 105 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:11,820 things that came up when I was doing the 106 00:05:18,030 --> 00:05:15,550 roundtable and it just basically is this 107 00:05:21,570 --> 00:05:18,040 it seemed like it was very full and it 108 00:05:23,820 --> 00:05:21,580 also seemed like perhaps some people 109 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:23,830 that were always had you know some type 110 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:26,530 of interest in the UFO phenomena maybe 111 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:29,710 are more people are interested since you 112 00:05:33,870 --> 00:05:31,690 know the article came out in December I 113 00:05:35,850 --> 00:05:33,880 mean it just seemed like there were a 114 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:35,860 lot of new people what was your take on 115 00:05:41,129 --> 00:05:37,570 that do you ask people with the Dorfler 116 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:41,139 knew as far as well no not we don't ask 117 00:05:46,290 --> 00:05:44,350 that the door but we do ask or at least 118 00:05:49,409 --> 00:05:46,300 sometimes people will ask and in this 119 00:05:51,150 --> 00:05:49,419 case I know Michael Carter asked and I 120 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:51,160 think one other speaker asked you know 121 00:05:57,900 --> 00:05:53,770 how many were new Michael Carter was the 122 00:06:01,050 --> 00:05:57,910 first day and if there was something 123 00:06:03,210 --> 00:06:01,060 like a quarter of the hands and he said 124 00:06:05,370 --> 00:06:03,220 how many of you this is a first 125 00:06:07,469 --> 00:06:05,380 you know UFO conference conference like 126 00:06:09,779 --> 00:06:07,479 this you've been to and about a quarter 127 00:06:11,670 --> 00:06:09,789 of the room raise their hand so that was 128 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:11,680 a lot and I think that's one of the 129 00:06:18,690 --> 00:06:13,450 things that we do well as we get a lot 130 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:18,700 of new people last year I know I asked 131 00:06:22,740 --> 00:06:20,440 during my talk and it was around 30 132 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:22,750 percent of the people so we always have 133 00:06:27,029 --> 00:06:24,910 a pretty high percentage I mean that's a 134 00:06:28,290 --> 00:06:27,039 lot of people you know out of a thousand 135 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:28,300 people in the room you know that's 136 00:06:32,969 --> 00:06:29,650 that's a couple hundred to three hundred 137 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:32,979 people and then a lot of those people 138 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:36,280 come back regularly so and then of 139 00:06:40,500 --> 00:06:38,289 course there's your people who are into 140 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:40,510 this topic that that come around you 141 00:06:45,779 --> 00:06:43,930 know every few years too so I think I 142 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:45,789 don't know this year I guess there was 143 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:49,210 it maybe a slight increase in newbies 144 00:06:56,250 --> 00:06:54,130 but and I would imagine it was from that 145 00:06:58,100 --> 00:06:56,260 story we certainly had more kind of 146 00:07:02,100 --> 00:06:58,110 curious people who just showed up 147 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:02,110 because of the Elizondo story and just 148 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:04,210 because they were curious 149 00:07:08,930 --> 00:07:07,030 so right and and the conference is a 150 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:08,940 good place for it because you know 151 00:07:15,559 --> 00:07:11,889 there's people get interested in in a 152 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:15,569 wide variety of different topics in this 153 00:07:21,779 --> 00:07:17,919 field maybe some of the topics aren't 154 00:07:24,270 --> 00:07:21,789 ones that I'm into but so and our 155 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:24,280 conference luckily we we run the gamut 156 00:07:28,830 --> 00:07:26,289 we show you know people doing stuff 157 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:28,840 right now all the way from the nuts and 158 00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:32,080 bolts to the fringe and so people get a 159 00:07:38,219 --> 00:07:34,780 good taste of you know the kind of the 160 00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:38,229 the breadth of topics out there yeah 161 00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:38,800 that's right 162 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:42,880 and behind the scenes I was helping out 163 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:45,849 which was actually a lot of fun you have 164 00:07:52,710 --> 00:07:50,050 a great crew that lets that we're going 165 00:07:53,969 --> 00:07:52,720 to throw an image of you up I took a 166 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:53,979 picture of you when you were up on a 167 00:08:00,629 --> 00:07:58,090 scissor lift so that now and then and 168 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:00,639 then there's always the repairing of the 169 00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:03,250 equipment that was happening we found 170 00:08:07,559 --> 00:08:05,590 like a gear tooth broken in something 171 00:08:08,159 --> 00:08:07,569 and then a wire broking and broken in 172 00:08:11,670 --> 00:08:08,169 something else 173 00:08:14,909 --> 00:08:11,680 so we're it's a lot people don't realize 174 00:08:16,170 --> 00:08:14,919 how much work it actually is to set up 175 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:16,180 something like this and I know you've 176 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:18,490 been doing yeah many many years and it's 177 00:08:22,140 --> 00:08:20,409 probably you're just probably used to it 178 00:08:25,379 --> 00:08:22,150 but when someone walks into it it's like 179 00:08:26,820 --> 00:08:25,389 wow there's a lot going on here yeah you 180 00:08:28,820 --> 00:08:26,830 know and and a lot of people will say 181 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:28,830 that it seems like it's you know 182 00:08:33,209 --> 00:08:31,180 seamless and everything's working the 183 00:08:35,399 --> 00:08:33,219 way it is behind the scenes there's 184 00:08:38,969 --> 00:08:35,409 fires we got to put out on a regular 185 00:08:40,409 --> 00:08:38,979 basis always and so like you said you 186 00:08:43,350 --> 00:08:40,419 know equipment with braking and we've 187 00:08:45,900 --> 00:08:43,360 got to fix it and and we've got to do it 188 00:08:48,210 --> 00:08:45,910 in a manner where the people on the 189 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:48,220 other side of the curtain don't notice 190 00:08:52,170 --> 00:08:50,170 it at all that they're still having a 191 00:08:54,180 --> 00:08:52,180 great experience and they're not 192 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:54,190 affected at all and so that's the 193 00:08:59,610 --> 00:08:56,970 challenge and that's what makes it 194 00:09:01,980 --> 00:08:59,620 certainly an adrenaline rush you know 195 00:09:04,050 --> 00:09:01,990 that week I'm sure you felt that too to 196 00:09:04,860 --> 00:09:04,060 go troubleshoot those issues and get 197 00:09:08,699 --> 00:09:04,870 them taken care of 198 00:09:10,949 --> 00:09:08,709 so nobody notices and then you know in 199 00:09:15,060 --> 00:09:10,959 some cases and for me this was the case 200 00:09:16,500 --> 00:09:15,070 somewhat the learning curve because you 201 00:09:18,290 --> 00:09:16,510 know we used to have Michael Klein who 202 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:18,300 is just 203 00:09:27,180 --> 00:09:23,890 you know he does TV high quality video 204 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:27,190 stuff and so he's very familiar with all 205 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:28,690 the video equipment but I was kind of 206 00:09:33,390 --> 00:09:30,850 had to take charge the a/v this year 207 00:09:36,510 --> 00:09:33,400 because Michael kleiner isn't wasn't 208 00:09:38,220 --> 00:09:36,520 with us this year and so I had a bit of 209 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:38,230 a learning curve and then you had a big 210 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:39,550 learning curve of course because you 211 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:41,770 were learning the TriCaster which is is 212 00:09:46,590 --> 00:09:44,290 switching this big switching unit that 213 00:09:47,970 --> 00:09:46,600 all the cameras and everything go into 214 00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:47,980 and then you're responsible for what 215 00:09:51,540 --> 00:09:49,900 people see on the screen and then what's 216 00:09:54,930 --> 00:09:51,550 going on to the DVD which of course 217 00:09:57,540 --> 00:09:54,940 we're and not only the DVD but on to the 218 00:10:00,660 --> 00:09:57,550 video on demand the that's the videos 219 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:00,670 that we preserve of the talk and then 220 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:02,770 share with people so that's really 221 00:10:06,690 --> 00:10:04,330 really important I mean that's the 222 00:10:11,070 --> 00:10:06,700 product of the conference is it are 223 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:11,080 those videos and so yeah you did a great 224 00:10:15,660 --> 00:10:13,750 job with it and I'm glad you found it 225 00:10:17,430 --> 00:10:15,670 fun I thought you would it's kind of 226 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:17,440 like doing your show but of course which 227 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:18,610 is really complicated 228 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:23,050 people probably don't know they may know 229 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:25,450 but what you're doing live-streaming 230 00:10:28,710 --> 00:10:27,250 your show is it really complicated 231 00:10:31,860 --> 00:10:28,720 that's why I don't - it's too 232 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:31,870 complicated well I'd have helped no but 233 00:10:36,750 --> 00:10:34,570 you know yeah for that it's uh it was 234 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:36,760 really tough on some of it even with 235 00:10:39,930 --> 00:10:38,350 your help I mean you yeah there's a lot 236 00:10:41,430 --> 00:10:39,940 going on in the back that people don't 237 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:41,440 know about where you guys are doing that 238 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:43,750 you know every week making sure to put 239 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:45,910 this together and putting out fixing 240 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:47,290 things that aren't working right before 241 00:10:50,550 --> 00:10:49,210 you go live and you know you've got 242 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:50,560 people in the background doing stuff 243 00:10:56,820 --> 00:10:54,010 right now so yeah the the one thing also 244 00:10:59,160 --> 00:10:56,830 about you actually it's almost like pre 245 00:11:01,590 --> 00:10:59,170 editing the movie before it actually 246 00:11:03,450 --> 00:11:01,600 goes I mean you're like the camera 247 00:11:05,820 --> 00:11:03,460 angles and everything that it's really I 248 00:11:06,930 --> 00:11:05,830 found it really fascinating and yeah and 249 00:11:08,940 --> 00:11:06,940 it was a really really fun 250 00:11:11,070 --> 00:11:08,950 behind-the-scenes someone posted a 251 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:11,080 question here for you Alejandro they 252 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:12,850 want to know when the conference videos 253 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:14,650 will be available on the open minds 254 00:11:24,540 --> 00:11:20,170 website ah never because o open minds 255 00:11:31,269 --> 00:11:24,550 and the comfortable car UFO Congress are 256 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:31,279 separated yeah so I mean act 257 00:11:37,449 --> 00:11:34,850 and the same sense right now 258 00:11:39,999 --> 00:11:37,459 so because open minds of course is still 259 00:11:42,519 --> 00:11:40,009 a sponsor and if you go to open minds 260 00:11:45,550 --> 00:11:42,529 you see ads around open minds for the 261 00:11:48,939 --> 00:11:45,560 UFO Congress and for the UFO Congress 262 00:11:53,259 --> 00:11:48,949 store you even we even have a shop link 263 00:11:56,499 --> 00:11:53,269 that'll take you to the store I gotta 264 00:11:58,689 --> 00:11:56,509 fix yeah and so if you go to open 265 00:12:00,600 --> 00:11:58,699 mindset TV and click any of those links 266 00:12:03,970 --> 00:12:00,610 for the UFO Congress store or the shop 267 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:03,980 because now the open mind store is in 268 00:12:13,150 --> 00:12:11,569 the UFO Congress store so really I don't 269 00:12:15,069 --> 00:12:13,160 think I'm doing a good job answering 270 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:15,079 this question my point is that now if 271 00:12:19,150 --> 00:12:17,809 you want to go to open mind set TV and 272 00:12:21,429 --> 00:12:19,160 click any of those links it'll take you 273 00:12:24,850 --> 00:12:21,439 to the UFO Congress store and the videos 274 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:24,860 are up there to purchase also if you go 275 00:12:28,449 --> 00:12:26,809 to the UFO Congress calm and go to the 276 00:12:30,009 --> 00:12:28,459 store you could get there so you could 277 00:12:33,189 --> 00:12:30,019 get there multiple ways but they are 278 00:12:36,129 --> 00:12:33,199 available to purchase right now and you 279 00:12:37,749 --> 00:12:36,139 also have a new YouTube channel right we 280 00:12:40,389 --> 00:12:37,759 have a new YouTube channel because we're 281 00:12:43,210 --> 00:12:40,399 separate open minds in UFO Congress so 282 00:12:46,410 --> 00:12:43,220 on our YouTube channel we have posted 283 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:46,420 the Elizondo interview that to the stars 284 00:12:50,619 --> 00:12:48,649 recorded for us which was the big thing 285 00:12:53,619 --> 00:12:50,629 for us this exclusive interview with 286 00:12:56,860 --> 00:12:53,629 Louise Elizondo so that you can go watch 287 00:12:59,170 --> 00:12:56,870 right now and kind of this intermixing 288 00:13:01,329 --> 00:12:59,180 of open minds in just a bit I'm going to 289 00:13:03,999 --> 00:13:01,339 be posting the transcript of that 290 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:04,009 interview hmm which for researchers and 291 00:13:09,579 --> 00:13:06,290 people especially with this you know you 292 00:13:11,619 --> 00:13:09,589 want the details of what he said so you 293 00:13:14,169 --> 00:13:11,629 can reference it and go back to look and 294 00:13:19,389 --> 00:13:14,179 remember you know all the details and 295 00:13:21,220 --> 00:13:19,399 and so I'm gonna be posting a transcript 296 00:13:24,189 --> 00:13:21,230 to real soon here after the show so 297 00:13:25,929 --> 00:13:24,199 people can find that at open mind and 298 00:13:27,850 --> 00:13:25,939 all the link to that from the YouTube 299 00:13:30,610 --> 00:13:27,860 but yeah there is a new youtube please 300 00:13:33,220 --> 00:13:30,620 go check that out and then we do have 301 00:13:35,650 --> 00:13:33,230 our Vindhya video on demand which also 302 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:35,660 is advertising open minds 303 00:13:39,999 --> 00:13:37,850 or on the UFO congress store and that's 304 00:13:42,689 --> 00:13:40,009 cool because you know everything's going 305 00:13:45,259 --> 00:13:42,699 to video on demand who even plays DVDs i 306 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:45,269 besides he's conference once you know 307 00:13:49,850 --> 00:13:47,730 on the computer just to make sure they 308 00:13:52,309 --> 00:13:49,860 work in everything but I don't watch 309 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:52,319 anything you know on DVD anymore i watch 310 00:13:56,239 --> 00:13:54,569 it streaming so we do have this video 311 00:13:58,309 --> 00:13:56,249 on-demand streaming where it's just a 312 00:14:00,949 --> 00:13:58,319 few dollars a month and you have access 313 00:14:03,319 --> 00:14:00,959 to hundreds of videos and we do have up 314 00:14:06,169 --> 00:14:03,329 there the entire Louise Elizondo 315 00:14:07,999 --> 00:14:06,179 presentation that included Meek bringing 316 00:14:11,389 --> 00:14:08,009 people up to speed so I took about half 317 00:14:13,220 --> 00:14:11,399 an hour telling people okay here's how 318 00:14:15,949 --> 00:14:13,230 this all came about you know here's how 319 00:14:17,929 --> 00:14:15,959 Tom DeLonge started you know brewing 320 00:14:21,259 --> 00:14:17,939 this kind of stuff and getting his 321 00:14:23,269 --> 00:14:21,269 organization together and then when we 322 00:14:25,699 --> 00:14:23,279 found out that Lewis Elizondo was 323 00:14:28,489 --> 00:14:25,709 involved in what he did and then the New 324 00:14:30,499 --> 00:14:28,499 York Times story and the details in the 325 00:14:33,650 --> 00:14:30,509 New York Times story that are pertinent 326 00:14:36,199 --> 00:14:33,660 you know the important bullet points 327 00:14:39,049 --> 00:14:36,209 there and that was important because if 328 00:14:41,509 --> 00:14:39,059 you just go into watching this this 329 00:14:43,429 --> 00:14:41,519 Elizondo interview without knowing any 330 00:14:45,319 --> 00:14:43,439 of that backstory or at least reading 331 00:14:46,579 --> 00:14:45,329 the New York Times story you're probably 332 00:14:48,290 --> 00:14:46,589 going to be a little lost because you 333 00:14:50,629 --> 00:14:48,300 won't know necessarily what he's talking 334 00:14:52,999 --> 00:14:50,639 about so I gave that background to 335 00:14:56,059 --> 00:14:53,009 people and then after we showed the 336 00:14:59,600 --> 00:14:56,069 video at the conference we then came out 337 00:15:02,569 --> 00:14:59,610 of it nick pope and i were on stage and 338 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:02,579 nick gave a little bit of his insight 339 00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:05,850 into the video have having you know ran 340 00:15:12,579 --> 00:15:09,839 a UFO investigation group for a 341 00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:12,589 government the UK government and 342 00:15:18,109 --> 00:15:15,600 excellent insight he was great it made 343 00:15:19,609 --> 00:15:18,119 some really good points and then he and 344 00:15:21,249 --> 00:15:19,619 i went back and forth a little and i 345 00:15:23,629 --> 00:15:21,259 shared a little bit of information that 346 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:23,639 Elizondo had shared with me that was not 347 00:15:30,619 --> 00:15:28,049 in the video and so that's what the fool 348 00:15:32,509 --> 00:15:30,629 thing is the full presentation was at 349 00:15:35,359 --> 00:15:32,519 the conference which you can see on our 350 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:35,369 video on-demand or you can buy the DVD 351 00:15:41,869 --> 00:15:38,970 at the store now someone just asked what 352 00:15:44,269 --> 00:15:41,879 is the name of the YouTube channel that 353 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:44,279 you have a UFO Congress just UFO 354 00:15:49,669 --> 00:15:47,730 Congress on YouTube yep yeah Congress if 355 00:15:51,650 --> 00:15:49,679 you go to youtube and you put in UFO 356 00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:51,660 Congress you're gonna find it or if you 357 00:15:57,019 --> 00:15:54,240 go put in Louise Elizondo it's it's at 358 00:15:58,910 --> 00:15:57,029 the top of the list so super easy to 359 00:16:01,730 --> 00:15:58,920 find on youtube and 360 00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:01,740 subscribe everyone because I know how 361 00:16:05,449 --> 00:16:03,480 long it takes I know you have like over 362 00:16:08,269 --> 00:16:05,459 a hundred thousand subscribers on your 363 00:16:10,009 --> 00:16:08,279 other channel but it takes a real long 364 00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:10,019 time to build up subscribers people 365 00:16:13,970 --> 00:16:12,360 don't realize that so it does it takes a 366 00:16:15,470 --> 00:16:13,980 long time and do subscribe because then 367 00:16:17,660 --> 00:16:15,480 you'll be notified when we have other 368 00:16:19,730 --> 00:16:17,670 videos out and we're going to have clips 369 00:16:21,710 --> 00:16:19,740 from all of these talks that were at the 370 00:16:23,210 --> 00:16:21,720 conference so you can get some insight 371 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:23,220 into who are these people because some 372 00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:24,510 of them you're probably like who is that 373 00:16:30,019 --> 00:16:27,180 you know most of these people you or I 374 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:30,029 have interviewed on our podcast but some 375 00:16:33,740 --> 00:16:32,490 we have it so we'll give you insight 376 00:16:36,110 --> 00:16:33,750 into that plus we're going to be posting 377 00:16:40,340 --> 00:16:36,120 awards for the videos so we have this 378 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,350 award ceremony and we videotape that and 379 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:42,720 so we'll be posting so you could see all 380 00:16:47,689 --> 00:16:44,490 of the awards the Lifetime Achievement 381 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:47,699 Award the researcher of the year who won 382 00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:50,130 the short form and the best or the long 383 00:16:55,460 --> 00:16:53,070 form movies and the People's Choice 384 00:16:58,519 --> 00:16:55,470 Award movies so those are always a lot 385 00:16:59,600 --> 00:16:58,529 of fun especially I think the researcher 386 00:17:01,519 --> 00:16:59,610 of the year and the Lifetime Achievement 387 00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:01,529 Awards because those are videos that we 388 00:17:07,100 --> 00:17:04,319 put together where you get to learn some 389 00:17:08,689 --> 00:17:07,110 interesting UFO stuff because we tell 390 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:08,699 you here's what this person has done 391 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:11,010 here's why they won the award and in 392 00:17:15,620 --> 00:17:12,809 doing that you know you get to learn a 393 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:15,630 lot about new ufology and some UFO cases 394 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:17,910 you probably haven't heard of now the 395 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:19,650 UFO someone's just saying the UFO and 396 00:17:23,419 --> 00:17:20,970 demand is not up yet 397 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:23,429 but that will be up it stays on no it's 398 00:17:29,210 --> 00:17:26,370 not it's up oh ok so David Turner or 399 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:29,220 opes I said the last time just honored 400 00:17:38,539 --> 00:17:31,530 of that it's probably not his real name 401 00:17:43,310 --> 00:17:41,240 you'll see it open minds we've got tons 402 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:43,320 of ads for it but if you go to UFO 403 00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:45,809 Congress there's a big ad in the middle 404 00:17:50,690 --> 00:17:48,360 several UFO Congress video portal UFO 405 00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:50,700 video portal watch our video portal so 406 00:17:55,130 --> 00:17:52,440 click on that and you'll get to the 407 00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:55,140 video portal and that the only 2018 408 00:17:59,090 --> 00:17:57,120 video we have up so far is Louise 409 00:18:01,940 --> 00:17:59,100 Elizondo so we have that whole 410 00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:01,950 presentation up on there right now and 411 00:18:09,289 --> 00:18:04,140 then we've got hundreds of other videos 412 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,299 from past conferences and then well 413 00:18:12,810 --> 00:18:11,760 we'll have a more up very shortly I'm 414 00:18:14,129 --> 00:18:12,820 going to be out of town next 415 00:18:16,110 --> 00:18:14,139 week but by the end of this week I'm 416 00:18:18,360 --> 00:18:16,120 going to have at least one more video up 417 00:18:20,399 --> 00:18:18,370 from 2018 I think I'm gonna put up your 418 00:18:21,779 --> 00:18:20,409 favorite video the Travis Walton when 419 00:18:24,029 --> 00:18:21,789 you said that was your favorite channel 420 00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:24,039 so I'll do that one next and then I'm 421 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:27,039 gonna have at least a couple of weeks so 422 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:29,529 I want to get all those 20 18s up within 423 00:18:34,049 --> 00:18:31,090 the next couple months so we'll have 424 00:18:35,789 --> 00:18:34,059 those all up very quickly so if you 425 00:18:38,430 --> 00:18:35,799 subscribe you get like a week for free 426 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:38,440 to check it out but if you stay 427 00:18:42,299 --> 00:18:40,210 subscribed at least for a few months if 428 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:42,309 you want to see all the 2018 but it'll 429 00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:43,480 take you a long time if you want to 430 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:44,740 watch a lot of those videos because 431 00:18:49,470 --> 00:18:47,110 there's some really good stuff there I 432 00:18:53,269 --> 00:18:49,480 mean there's there's Nick Pope there's 433 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:53,279 all your favorites are up there and and 434 00:19:00,119 --> 00:18:57,730 and more so we've got you know our Bob 435 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:00,129 Lazar video up there that's something 436 00:19:06,930 --> 00:19:03,370 that we can't see again that was the 437 00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:06,940 Lord's nap right yep with george knapp 438 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:08,740 we have george knapp talking about bob 439 00:19:14,730 --> 00:19:11,830 lazar also on his own up there kind of 440 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:14,740 justifying why he thinks that it's a 441 00:19:19,019 --> 00:19:17,289 valid case and then you know those are 442 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:19,029 just a couple of our really popular ones 443 00:19:27,090 --> 00:19:21,460 but clifford mahooty does really well 444 00:19:29,580 --> 00:19:27,100 the the hopi elder oh that's a popular 445 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:29,590 talk Paul Stonehill talking about 446 00:19:35,789 --> 00:19:33,370 Eurasian UFO cases is a popular one so 447 00:19:37,619 --> 00:19:35,799 yes there's a lot of good stuff up there 448 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:37,629 claude swanson is another popular one 449 00:19:42,539 --> 00:19:40,690 who is a theoretical physicist who talks 450 00:19:44,639 --> 00:19:42,549 about kind of the paranormal and the 451 00:19:48,499 --> 00:19:44,649 science of the paranormal and how you 452 00:19:55,340 --> 00:19:48,509 know there are these theoretical 453 00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:55,350 concepts that may answer why things like 454 00:20:02,820 --> 00:19:58,240 ESP and things could possibly be 455 00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:02,830 happening and it's related to how this 456 00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:04,600 could be being used by other 457 00:20:12,350 --> 00:20:07,679 civilizations off our planet and also 458 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:12,360 possibly related to things even such as 459 00:20:18,299 --> 00:20:16,240 propulsion and so really interesting wow 460 00:20:20,340 --> 00:20:18,309 that does sound very interesting hey 461 00:20:22,649 --> 00:20:20,350 would you be up for taking a couple 462 00:20:26,070 --> 00:20:22,659 calls later on people always seem to 463 00:20:28,110 --> 00:20:26,080 share questions when you're on yeah so 464 00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:28,120 there was a question someone asked up 465 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:30,760 they keep hearing about those medals and 466 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:34,450 Bigelow's you know where house is have 467 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:36,850 you heard any type of updates at all 468 00:20:42,090 --> 00:20:39,130 about yeah that was one of the questions 469 00:20:44,850 --> 00:20:42,100 I asked so there were two questions in 470 00:20:47,009 --> 00:20:44,860 particular that weren't on the video 471 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:47,019 when I got it back because you know they 472 00:20:51,389 --> 00:20:49,330 I sent a bunch of questions from 473 00:20:53,070 --> 00:20:51,399 listeners of course I was on your show 474 00:20:54,419 --> 00:20:53,080 telling people hey send his questions 475 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:54,429 and we'll get those up there and we did 476 00:20:59,009 --> 00:20:56,890 so we sent them a bunch of questions to 477 00:21:00,960 --> 00:20:59,019 ask and when the video came back there 478 00:21:04,289 --> 00:21:00,970 were two in particular I quickly noticed 479 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:04,299 that weren't there about the medals that 480 00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,610 was my favorite question and then the 481 00:21:11,580 --> 00:21:08,559 other question was Nick Pope's question 482 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:11,590 that wasn't up there so I told blue you 483 00:21:14,430 --> 00:21:12,970 know I had a little bit of time with him 484 00:21:16,139 --> 00:21:14,440 on the phone I was like there are a 485 00:21:18,899 --> 00:21:16,149 couple questions that I think are really 486 00:21:20,250 --> 00:21:18,909 important I think there was maybe one 487 00:21:24,750 --> 00:21:20,260 other I asked that he said unfortunately 488 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:24,760 he couldn't share anything but um I I 489 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:26,289 said there there's a couple questions 490 00:21:30,659 --> 00:21:27,610 here I was wondering if you could share 491 00:21:31,230 --> 00:21:30,669 some information on he said shoot let's 492 00:21:35,399 --> 00:21:31,240 do it 493 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:35,409 and so I asked the questions one was 494 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:37,510 about the medal and actually we had 495 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:39,220 talked a little bit about it before but 496 00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:40,690 he said please don't share this yet 497 00:21:45,389 --> 00:21:43,840 where can I share it soon but and he has 498 00:21:47,399 --> 00:21:45,399 been sharing it he sure did with george 499 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:47,409 knapp on coast to coast and and he 500 00:21:52,889 --> 00:21:49,330 shared a little bit but i think he was 501 00:21:55,289 --> 00:21:52,899 very clear with us and we had the most 502 00:21:58,799 --> 00:21:55,299 clear answer which is they're not alloys 503 00:22:01,049 --> 00:21:58,809 in the New York Times story they wrote 504 00:22:03,149 --> 00:22:01,059 and they called them alloys and he said 505 00:22:07,139 --> 00:22:03,159 they didn't they never called them 506 00:22:09,180 --> 00:22:07,149 alloys but the New York Times said the 507 00:22:11,789 --> 00:22:09,190 answer was too complicated and they 508 00:22:13,980 --> 00:22:11,799 needed to make it somehow so people can 509 00:22:17,180 --> 00:22:13,990 understand and they use the word alloys 510 00:22:19,379 --> 00:22:17,190 which they felt was okay but 511 00:22:21,299 --> 00:22:19,389 scientifically you know when it comes 512 00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:21,309 down to the details it's inaccurate 513 00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:24,159 which of course has caused issues so 514 00:22:29,340 --> 00:22:26,320 it's not an alloy what it is he says is 515 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:29,350 meta materials I'm from what I 516 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:31,330 understand with these what meta 517 00:22:38,340 --> 00:22:33,690 materials are is just a material that is 518 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:38,350 manufactured in this case they also have 519 00:22:44,550 --> 00:22:39,910 strange isotope 520 00:22:46,260 --> 00:22:44,560 values so isotopes have to do with and 521 00:22:50,610 --> 00:22:46,270 and whenever you find a metal and this 522 00:22:53,460 --> 00:22:50,620 is the key analysis you do on a metal 523 00:22:56,670 --> 00:22:53,470 that you find that is allegedly from a 524 00:23:01,170 --> 00:22:56,680 spacecraft or something is you measure 525 00:23:05,310 --> 00:23:01,180 the isotope values of certain elements 526 00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,320 of the metal because when something is 527 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:06,880 getting made in the process of being 528 00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:10,210 made I guess somehow those two isotopes 529 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:14,440 line up a specific way related to the 530 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:18,040 cosmic location so the earth you know 531 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:19,810 certain gravities of gravities of the 532 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:21,930 moon the gravity of the planet and other 533 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:26,590 forces caused there to be specific 534 00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:28,930 values so if you check the isotopic 535 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:30,820 values you can confirm whether or not 536 00:23:36,090 --> 00:23:32,710 something was made on this planet or not 537 00:23:38,010 --> 00:23:36,100 and and for instance with asteroids 538 00:23:40,860 --> 00:23:38,020 they'll do that to see if it's from Mars 539 00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:40,870 or where they might be from and in this 540 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:44,200 case the isotopic values were unusual 541 00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:46,510 they were not and they didn't indicate 542 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:47,980 they're made from Earth and they don't 543 00:23:55,650 --> 00:23:52,530 know where the metal comes from and 544 00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,660 according to Lou in order to fabricate 545 00:23:59,520 --> 00:23:57,760 this like as a hoax or something like 546 00:24:01,650 --> 00:23:59,530 that it's just not possible that the 547 00:24:06,690 --> 00:24:01,660 technology doesn't exist for this thing 548 00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:06,700 to be created by us so that's what he 549 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:10,120 said no information as to where it comes 550 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:13,330 from there's a lot of speculation out 551 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:19,450 there and Jacques Vallee has spoken 552 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:22,450 about different metals that he believes 553 00:24:26,970 --> 00:24:24,370 may be from elsewhere and so is how put 554 00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:26,980 up and how could up more importantly 555 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:30,460 it's part of the to the Stars Academy 556 00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:34,090 which Louis part of but he has not 557 00:24:38,150 --> 00:24:35,860 confirmed nor any of them have really 558 00:24:41,130 --> 00:24:38,160 confirmed where these metals came from 559 00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:41,140 so we don't really know their backstory 560 00:24:48,210 --> 00:24:44,590 yet hopefully we will at some point but 561 00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,220 yeah so it sounds interesting 562 00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:50,080 I mean meta materials with isotopic 563 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:52,510 values that we cannot and that's the 564 00:24:55,289 --> 00:24:53,710 first question most people 565 00:24:59,130 --> 00:24:55,299 well we'll have be done an isotopic 566 00:25:01,470 --> 00:24:59,140 analysis and they have and that's what 567 00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:01,480 it shown Wow 568 00:25:08,899 --> 00:25:05,279 and how can they you can't really ever 569 00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:08,909 have anything like a confirmation that 570 00:25:13,950 --> 00:25:11,919 this has to be made off of this planet 571 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:13,960 because the elements are all the same 572 00:25:19,769 --> 00:25:17,890 and anything could be somehow produced 573 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:19,779 here in some sort of way even though 574 00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,140 it's strange well no that's why you have 575 00:25:27,180 --> 00:25:25,840 to check the isotopic values because you 576 00:25:29,850 --> 00:25:27,190 have to have because you're right the 577 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:29,860 element all the elements come from the 578 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:32,590 Stars and essentially the the galaxy the 579 00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:34,090 universe we all have the same elements 580 00:25:39,779 --> 00:25:37,510 around so just because you have yet so 581 00:25:41,639 --> 00:25:39,789 you're you're not going to find you know 582 00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:41,649 the elements aren't necessarily going to 583 00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,590 be strange however some of the things 584 00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,720 that we have aluminum ore or other 585 00:25:51,539 --> 00:25:49,120 things are manufactured and that's the 586 00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:51,549 important key is that the if the element 587 00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:54,750 or the piece that you have is is 588 00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,000 manufactured and you can check the 589 00:26:03,000 --> 00:25:59,919 isotopic values to show that it was 590 00:26:05,310 --> 00:26:03,010 manufactured somewhere other than on the 591 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:05,320 planet that's when you have something 592 00:26:08,850 --> 00:26:07,090 significant that's what makes it 593 00:26:14,430 --> 00:26:08,860 important you have to have that 594 00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:14,440 combination I see huh Wow and let's see 595 00:26:20,850 --> 00:26:19,260 what is there was another confused or 596 00:26:24,389 --> 00:26:20,860 misconception and that was the 597 00:26:27,210 --> 00:26:24,399 Washington Post had said something to 598 00:26:28,889 --> 00:26:27,220 that Alejandro had taken the videos when 599 00:26:31,649 --> 00:26:28,899 he wasn't supposed to or tricked them or 600 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:31,659 something so yeah he cleared that up 601 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:34,809 What did he say exactly he did and I 602 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:37,809 kind of exacerbated this problem in that 603 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:40,330 the Washington Post had made this claim 604 00:26:47,130 --> 00:26:43,289 about the medals or about the videos and 605 00:26:49,260 --> 00:26:47,140 so when I was interviewed by a couple 606 00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:49,270 outlets I had spoken about these are 607 00:26:53,610 --> 00:26:50,710 some of the questions that we need 608 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:53,620 answers to and nobody could give me 609 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:55,330 these answers at the time even though I 610 00:26:58,740 --> 00:26:57,730 was in contact with to the Stars and 611 00:27:00,269 --> 00:26:58,750 some of those guys they were like 612 00:27:02,399 --> 00:27:00,279 there's some things we're just not 613 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:02,409 talking about yet we're sorry we can't 614 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:03,490 give you more information 615 00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:05,590 although Leslie Kane and I spoke a bit 616 00:27:09,010 --> 00:27:06,799 about it 617 00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:09,020 when I did a podcast with her and she 618 00:27:16,060 --> 00:27:13,360 did a bit of clarification but he very 619 00:27:19,899 --> 00:27:16,070 Elizondo clarified this in in our video 620 00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:19,909 and The Washington Post had said that he 621 00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:21,919 kind of tricked them that he had told 622 00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:24,200 them that the videos he wanted to 623 00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:27,350 release for educational purposes but the 624 00:27:32,649 --> 00:27:29,510 whole time he had the secret agenda of 625 00:27:34,510 --> 00:27:32,659 using them to show that UFOs are real he 626 00:27:39,850 --> 00:27:34,520 said that's not the case that's not true 627 00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:39,860 that the DoD released the videos and it 628 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:42,559 was through their department but he said 629 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:47,090 and and Leslie I guess maybe was not 630 00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:48,890 aware of this or at least this wasn't 631 00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:52,070 clear to her it seems but she said that 632 00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,120 they release the videos in order to get 633 00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:02,000 them out to the public and so they can 634 00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:03,980 have a better understanding of what they 635 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:07,940 are essentially so that people kind of 636 00:28:13,570 --> 00:28:11,809 like a citizen science thing so people 637 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:13,580 in the public could look at these videos 638 00:28:17,950 --> 00:28:16,130 and then maybe someone out there could 639 00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:17,960 say hey I know what that is that's not 640 00:28:23,980 --> 00:28:21,980 what you think it is it's this and so it 641 00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:23,990 was essentially to get help identifying 642 00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:27,230 these objects is what he claims and he 643 00:28:33,610 --> 00:28:30,409 says it was a DoD process it went 644 00:28:37,860 --> 00:28:33,620 through this adopter process dop s are 645 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:37,870 so it's a military acronym for this 646 00:28:45,070 --> 00:28:41,330 rigorous process that material has to go 647 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:45,080 through to get Declassified and then in 648 00:28:49,659 --> 00:28:47,450 order to be shared with the public so it 649 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:49,669 went through that entire process it was 650 00:28:54,940 --> 00:28:53,210 cleared and then it got out and that 651 00:28:57,159 --> 00:28:54,950 what that was the reason why he said you 652 00:29:00,130 --> 00:28:57,169 can see this in the DoD documentation 653 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:00,140 that I wasn't even you know this was 654 00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:03,529 done by the DoD to get those videos out 655 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:05,809 so that's interesting that's really 656 00:29:15,310 --> 00:29:11,690 interesting that they chose to interface 657 00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:15,320 with the public to sort of say hey we 658 00:29:20,530 --> 00:29:17,630 don't know what these are essentially 659 00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:20,540 they're UFOs do any of you know 660 00:29:26,770 --> 00:29:24,140 what they are and some people have some 661 00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:26,780 ideas but he did share that some of the 662 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:29,620 ideas they've heard such as IR flare 663 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:32,210 just like you know when the Sun flares 664 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:35,570 out that I guess infrared cameras can do 665 00:29:41,410 --> 00:29:40,010 that in front and he says you know a lot 666 00:29:43,060 --> 00:29:41,420 of these ideas that some people have 667 00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:43,070 come forward with just are not the case 668 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:47,060 we have been able to demonstrate or at 669 00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:49,850 least we've ruled out some of those 670 00:29:54,820 --> 00:29:52,640 ideas so at least in his mind so far 671 00:29:58,090 --> 00:29:54,830 nobody's come up with a good answer as 672 00:30:00,520 --> 00:29:58,100 to what is in those videos yeah and you 673 00:30:03,610 --> 00:30:00,530 know he in the video that people can 674 00:30:06,460 --> 00:30:03,620 actually watch that you posted you know 675 00:30:09,910 --> 00:30:06,470 he mentions things like the reason why 676 00:30:11,950 --> 00:30:09,920 they're so short and you know that there 677 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:11,960 still could be parts of them that are 678 00:30:16,420 --> 00:30:13,850 still classified that can't be released 679 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:16,430 because of certain things and you know 680 00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:18,170 everyone wants to know and I've got a 681 00:30:23,380 --> 00:30:19,760 few questions already in the chatroom 682 00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:23,390 that they want to know if actually we 683 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:24,800 have a call coming in right now are you 684 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:25,850 ready to take the call 685 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:29,690 sure all right let's do it all right 686 00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:32,570 caller can you hear me you're on the 687 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:36,460 line yes I can hear you all right 688 00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:38,930 welcome to the show and you do you have 689 00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:41,560 a question for either myself or 690 00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:45,440 Alejandro yes I do 691 00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:47,150 what wait what's your name what's your 692 00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:48,670 name were you calling from first of all 693 00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:52,460 this is Phil in Michigan oh hey Phil how 694 00:31:01,690 --> 00:30:58,970 are ya great I'm calling about the the 695 00:31:06,850 --> 00:31:01,700 to the stars thing and I kind of 696 00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:06,860 followed it from the inception and I get 697 00:31:13,030 --> 00:31:12,080 the pedigree of 99% of the people that 698 00:31:19,090 --> 00:31:13,040 are involved with it 699 00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:19,100 the physicists the scientists that work 700 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:20,750 for skunk works I understand that 701 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:24,350 they're all top-of-the-line guys and I 702 00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:26,930 understand two-thirds of what they're 703 00:31:32,110 --> 00:31:29,600 doing the part that just really really 704 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:32,120 really really bugs me I've not heard 705 00:31:37,510 --> 00:31:34,010 anybody address 706 00:31:40,420 --> 00:31:37,520 is what on earth is this entertainment 707 00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:40,430 wing of this thing you just it's 708 00:31:46,270 --> 00:31:43,070 orthogonal to everything else they're 709 00:31:48,970 --> 00:31:46,280 doing makes no sense can one of you 710 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:48,980 gentlemen or somebody explain that to me 711 00:31:54,460 --> 00:31:52,610 I'll let you tackle that order yeah well 712 00:31:56,590 --> 00:31:54,470 and I've talked to the guys about this 713 00:31:58,570 --> 00:31:56,600 so I think you're right I think that 714 00:32:00,520 --> 00:31:58,580 Phil you're right that you know nobody's 715 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:00,530 come out and really explained this and 716 00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:03,530 so I'm the only one talking about it and 717 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:06,590 and that's and you know people are like 718 00:32:10,270 --> 00:32:08,330 well what do you know you're not part of 719 00:32:13,510 --> 00:32:10,280 their group or anything and I understand 720 00:32:15,610 --> 00:32:13,520 that so III think that it would be good 721 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:15,620 for them to kind of come out and explain 722 00:32:19,540 --> 00:32:17,690 this and and we're gonna do a follow-up 723 00:32:21,250 --> 00:32:19,550 interview with Elizondo and maybe I can 724 00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:21,260 ask him those questions but I'd love to 725 00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:24,230 get Tom DeLonge on because it's kind of 726 00:32:28,750 --> 00:32:27,350 he's the one who started it all and I 727 00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:28,760 thought that's what you were gonna ask 728 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:30,980 why this rock scar everybody has all 729 00:32:34,810 --> 00:32:32,690 these great pedigrees but why this rock 730 00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:34,820 star but it was kind of the idea here 731 00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:39,950 was is to model space X or Elon Musk 732 00:32:46,390 --> 00:32:44,120 that you know in order to do R&D it 733 00:32:50,890 --> 00:32:46,400 takes money and it takes a lot of money 734 00:32:53,470 --> 00:32:50,900 so how do you get this money really the 735 00:32:55,210 --> 00:32:53,480 money that they've requested for people 736 00:32:58,420 --> 00:32:55,220 to buy shares into the company is just 737 00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:58,430 kind of priming the pump but what they 738 00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:02,240 hope to do is have this entertainment 739 00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:06,950 wing help fund the R&D kind of like Elon 740 00:33:13,270 --> 00:33:09,910 Musk has you know various programs or 741 00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:13,280 companies and projects that help fund or 742 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:15,980 at least funded his SpaceX to get it off 743 00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:18,530 the ground and now SpaceX I'm sure funds 744 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:20,390 itself because they've got government 745 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:23,690 contracts and contracts to you know fly 746 00:33:27,310 --> 00:33:25,610 stuff into space so I don't know for 747 00:33:29,470 --> 00:33:27,320 sure if that funds itself I'd imagine 748 00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:29,480 show but maybe it still doesn't so the 749 00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:32,060 idea was this is how we can get funds in 750 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:36,500 order to pay for this work and and Elon 751 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:39,110 Musk that model was was their 752 00:33:44,110 --> 00:33:40,970 inspiration for that at least Tom's 753 00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:44,120 inspiration for doing it in that manner 754 00:33:47,710 --> 00:33:47,240 so people are frustrated about that why 755 00:33:50,890 --> 00:33:47,720 do we want 756 00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,900 see some fiction you know his argument 757 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:52,159 is that this fiction is going to be 758 00:33:58,330 --> 00:33:55,490 based on reality so it will be kind of 759 00:34:01,060 --> 00:33:58,340 like you know in that way it'll help be 760 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:01,070 sharing information with people and you 761 00:34:04,419 --> 00:34:02,510 know he probably has a point what 762 00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:04,429 inspired most of us the most at least 763 00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:06,260 for me Close Encounters was a huge 764 00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:08,990 inspiration but I know anecdotally out 765 00:34:13,899 --> 00:34:11,540 there movies fire in the sky got a lot 766 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:13,909 of people interested in Travis Waltons 767 00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,730 case so they're just hoping to use that 768 00:34:20,980 --> 00:34:19,280 to inspire people to seek more 769 00:34:23,290 --> 00:34:20,990 information and that they'll be able to 770 00:34:26,109 --> 00:34:23,300 hopefully provide a lot more credible 771 00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:26,119 information in that manner so that was 772 00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:29,599 the idea behind it and I think they 773 00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:34,760 could do it they should probably speak 774 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:36,980 to that or at least have that message 775 00:34:41,649 --> 00:34:39,649 out there so people can understand you 776 00:34:43,869 --> 00:34:41,659 know how does entertainment and UFO 777 00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:43,879 research go together that's weird and it 778 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:46,190 might even be detrimental and their 779 00:34:51,609 --> 00:34:48,169 argument is know it you know it's 780 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:51,619 helping our efforts so yeah well that's 781 00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:53,330 a very good answer but you know I think 782 00:34:59,859 --> 00:34:57,440 from my perspective and I think a lot of 783 00:35:02,260 --> 00:34:59,869 other people's perspective too they 784 00:35:04,810 --> 00:35:02,270 don't really need to tell the public 785 00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:04,820 that I mean they could be coupled to 786 00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,390 completely and still have the back 787 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:10,880 channel funding to their primary 788 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:12,650 research or organization because you 789 00:35:21,460 --> 00:35:17,089 know the appeal of investing in pure 790 00:35:25,180 --> 00:35:21,470 research for me which make a whole lot 791 00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:25,190 more sense than this this entertainment 792 00:35:29,859 --> 00:35:26,300 thing because I have to tell you you 793 00:35:34,089 --> 00:35:29,869 know I I've listened to Tom DeLonge I 794 00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:34,099 heard him on the Joe Rogan show and I 795 00:35:38,020 --> 00:35:35,660 was embarrassed for the guy that was 796 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:38,030 what some of the weirdest like power and 797 00:35:40,510 --> 00:35:39,770 a half an interview I've ever heard in 798 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:40,520 my life 799 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:43,030 and if they want a couple those two 800 00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:44,930 they're shooting themselves in the foot 801 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:47,359 and big time they better just take it 802 00:35:51,550 --> 00:35:49,130 underground if they want to do that kind 803 00:35:54,849 --> 00:35:51,560 of funny but that's my own personal 804 00:35:56,349 --> 00:35:54,859 perspective I'd be highly shocked if 805 00:35:58,990 --> 00:35:56,359 other people don't kind of feel the same 806 00:36:00,609 --> 00:35:59,000 way that I do but anyway I thank you 807 00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:00,619 very much for your answer that was 808 00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:01,670 really good 809 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:04,460 all right yeah I I think it's just got a 810 00:36:09,970 --> 00:36:06,410 great point I think that a lot of people 811 00:36:11,650 --> 00:36:09,980 agree with Phil and and maybe that is 812 00:36:15,849 --> 00:36:11,660 something they'll wanna rethink I don't 813 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:15,859 know you will notice that since the New 814 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:17,690 York Times story came out we've heard 815 00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:20,210 nothing from Tom and and he's not 816 00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:23,599 talking right and and so they've they've 817 00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,049 kind of all identified this issue in a 818 00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,079 way and and I don't know maybe they're 819 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:32,480 working on an answer for it but I think 820 00:36:36,789 --> 00:36:35,450 you know I I thought I was crazy there 821 00:36:37,569 --> 00:36:36,799 for a while because that has been 822 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:37,579 following us 823 00:36:43,390 --> 00:36:39,410 I've been following the stuff from the 824 00:36:48,339 --> 00:36:43,400 1970s yeah it is one of those things 825 00:36:53,049 --> 00:36:48,349 that if something wasn't right about it 826 00:36:56,259 --> 00:36:53,059 yeah it had this weird vibe to it that 827 00:36:58,900 --> 00:36:56,269 you know because it's like for example i 828 00:37:04,839 --> 00:36:58,910 listened to george knapp interview 829 00:37:07,989 --> 00:37:04,849 louise alexander on sunday and you know 830 00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:07,999 most of that interview was rehash but 831 00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:11,119 there were some really really striking 832 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:14,720 parts of them that make me wonder why 833 00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:17,690 that's not on the front page of the New 834 00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:19,849 York Times and the last thing they need 835 00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:24,140 to do is to divert attention from the 836 00:37:31,479 --> 00:37:27,140 kind of messages he's giving with this 837 00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,489 other stuff we have are there and what 838 00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:33,440 are the issues I've seen and and maybe 839 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:35,599 you have seen this too is that some of 840 00:37:42,579 --> 00:37:40,089 the UFO personalities out there have 841 00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:42,589 looked at Tom stuff and they say look 842 00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:45,470 he's got the answer and this justifies 843 00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:47,960 all my wild crazy conspiracy theories 844 00:37:52,989 --> 00:37:49,849 because Tom says they're real and 845 00:37:55,269 --> 00:37:52,999 they're completely ignoring you know the 846 00:37:57,009 --> 00:37:55,279 more credible hard-nosed stuff that's 847 00:37:58,269 --> 00:37:57,019 coming from Elizondo and some of these 848 00:38:00,759 --> 00:37:58,279 other credible people which is 849 00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:00,769 unfortunate because that's the real meat 850 00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:03,230 you know that's the real tangible stuff 851 00:38:06,989 --> 00:38:06,140 that you can you know share with the 852 00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:06,999 mainstream 853 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:10,430 unfortunately Thomas really his stuff is 854 00:38:15,660 --> 00:38:14,089 unsubstantiated that's true and it 855 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:15,670 really is because 856 00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:20,050 put offs interview was just mind-blowing 857 00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:22,780 yeah yeah it was really good I mean it 858 00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:25,780 and it's just one of us between him and 859 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:30,150 release oh my god I mean it's like I 860 00:38:35,850 --> 00:38:32,410 because I'd lay in bed at night you know 861 00:38:38,910 --> 00:38:35,860 thinking about this mess and how real it 862 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:38,920 actually is now I tell my wife about it 863 00:38:42,780 --> 00:38:40,510 and she just looks at me and water's 864 00:38:45,660 --> 00:38:42,790 going hard and wonders why you know 865 00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:45,670 there's not more in the major news media 866 00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:49,630 and and and and that's really why I I 867 00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:52,630 feel so strongly about what they've done 868 00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:55,030 with you know the whole bill on 869 00:38:59,730 --> 00:38:57,100 entertainment wing of this thing because 870 00:39:01,800 --> 00:38:59,740 they're really like cutting off their 871 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:01,810 nose to spite their face with this thing 872 00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:05,050 the the the message the core message 873 00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:08,830 that's there between put off and Alice 874 00:39:16,590 --> 00:39:14,080 Ando is phenomenal yeah and we it's it's 875 00:39:18,930 --> 00:39:16,600 getting drugging the dirt kind of the 876 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:18,940 bottom line for me I think an another 877 00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,450 argument they would make is that so far 878 00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:27,280 nothing penetrates the public and 879 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:30,190 they're trying new and different methods 880 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:32,650 to really get their message out there to 881 00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:36,280 people and that they think maybe these 882 00:39:41,570 --> 00:39:38,380 ideas are some other way to get to the 883 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:41,580 youth and get to more people because 884 00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:44,250 they feel that the credible information 885 00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:47,230 just doesn't have much of an impact on 886 00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,480 the public and so they think this may be 887 00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:51,280 something different that tries to 888 00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:53,640 actually get to people more people so 889 00:39:59,310 --> 00:39:55,900 we'll see I guess we'll just have to 890 00:40:02,190 --> 00:39:59,320 wait and see okay Phil hey thank ya 891 00:40:08,420 --> 00:40:02,200 thanks for the call yeah well thank you 892 00:40:10,530 --> 00:40:08,430 very much for your answer a yes not me 893 00:40:12,990 --> 00:40:10,540 do you know the one thing the only thing 894 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:13,000 that I you know wanted to just add to 895 00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:15,570 that just a little bit is the only 896 00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:17,470 detriment that I see or one of the 897 00:40:20,970 --> 00:40:18,880 detriments I see is that it might be 898 00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:20,980 confusing to the first time person that 899 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:22,750 lands on their website now wait a minute 900 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:25,510 is this UFOs or entertainment or you 901 00:40:29,010 --> 00:40:27,730 know what is this is it all a mix you 902 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:29,020 know it just might be able 903 00:40:35,550 --> 00:40:32,130 confusing to someone maybe yeah possibly 904 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:35,560 you know we only have a little bit of 905 00:40:38,730 --> 00:40:37,510 time left here so I will say and we were 906 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:38,740 going to talk about a number of things 907 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:42,310 but let's just address this and if 908 00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:44,890 someone calls in so the number will be 909 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:47,620 up on the screen now for anyone that 910 00:40:52,530 --> 00:40:48,850 it's listening live and they want to 911 00:40:55,650 --> 00:40:52,540 call in and one of the things I want to 912 00:40:58,110 --> 00:40:55,660 talk about alejandro was the the oregon 913 00:41:00,120 --> 00:40:58,120 that last October I guess it was October 914 00:41:02,670 --> 00:41:00,130 25th or something like that there was 915 00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:02,680 FAA tapes have you listened to any of 916 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:06,460 that check they know about emails I've 917 00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:08,410 heard about it and I was supposed to 918 00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:11,470 Purdue Doria and open minds today but I 919 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:13,390 just have not had time to look into that 920 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:15,130 yeah I've listened to it a little bit 921 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:18,850 and it looks great I've heard seen some 922 00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,330 conversation it looks like a cool case 923 00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:24,160 yeah it's it's something there that's 924 00:41:28,860 --> 00:41:26,440 really happening and you know incredible 925 00:41:32,220 --> 00:41:28,870 speeds and all that it's it's really I 926 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:32,230 always like hearing some of that you 927 00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:35,010 know talks like in a anything like that 928 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:38,440 whether it's a fighter pilot or anyone 929 00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:40,930 and you know someone from a flight tower 930 00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:43,120 you know talking about our own radar 931 00:41:48,180 --> 00:41:45,700 that stuff is really fascinating to me 932 00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:48,190 so yeah the call in if anyone else wants 933 00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:50,470 to call in and ask Alejandro a question 934 00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:51,790 he's going to be on for just a little 935 00:41:59,640 --> 00:41:54,670 bit longer that number I'll say it if 936 00:42:03,000 --> 00:41:59,650 you're listening and it's 6:03 967 403 937 00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:03,010 oh that's only for when the show is live 938 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:06,550 I get calls when dark matter is running 939 00:42:12,270 --> 00:42:10,210 the show sometimes so what about there 940 00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:12,280 was also a story about Robbie Williams 941 00:42:16,260 --> 00:42:14,590 did you did you look into that one at 942 00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:16,270 all no I thought we were going to talk 943 00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:22,480 about the Congress no I know we were I 944 00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:25,030 just said I threw you those two things 945 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:27,700 too if you wanted to talk yeah okay 946 00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,690 I have no info that's okay do you want 947 00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:33,040 to talk about what's gonna go on next 948 00:42:38,779 --> 00:42:35,680 year okay guess what we have a call and 949 00:42:45,089 --> 00:42:42,059 all right caller can you hear us you're 950 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:45,099 on the line please give your name and 951 00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,010 where you're calling from 952 00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:49,599 hey Martin this is Ryan from South 953 00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,329 Carolina oh hey Ryan how are ya are you 954 00:42:57,450 --> 00:42:54,640 doing good go pretty good you got a 955 00:42:59,279 --> 00:42:57,460 question for oh you're back in oh you're 956 00:43:01,819 --> 00:42:59,289 back in the cold weather again I am it's 957 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:01,829 actually very nice here it's been in the 958 00:43:09,779 --> 00:43:05,049 50s and 60s snow is almost starting to 959 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:09,789 melt I have a question for either of you 960 00:43:13,529 --> 00:43:11,890 know this maybe getting off topic I 961 00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:13,539 don't know if it is you know we can move 962 00:43:17,579 --> 00:43:15,460 on to something else we were kind of 963 00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:17,589 kicking this around in the in the chat 964 00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:23,339 room Trump he's been president now for 965 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:28,180 probably over a year and if anyone would 966 00:43:32,339 --> 00:43:30,609 leak this if any president I mean he 967 00:43:34,829 --> 00:43:32,349 seems to me an expert at leaking if 968 00:43:38,460 --> 00:43:34,839 anyone would leak this I would think it 969 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:38,470 would be him and it's hard to believe he 970 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:41,890 would not be briefed on this and so you 971 00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:43,770 know it kind of makes me wonder either 972 00:43:52,589 --> 00:43:47,099 one of three things are going on either 973 00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:52,599 number one the government there's really 974 00:43:57,539 --> 00:43:55,119 nothing to this and the government 975 00:43:59,819 --> 00:43:57,549 really doesn't have anything number two 976 00:44:02,569 --> 00:43:59,829 they suspect it but I don't have 977 00:44:05,099 --> 00:44:02,579 anything to brief him on in other words 978 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:05,109 you know we think we may be getting 979 00:44:09,089 --> 00:44:06,609 visited but we don't know or number 980 00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:09,099 three he's actually keeping his mouth 981 00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:11,710 closed which is just borderline crazy 982 00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,270 and I don't want to get your thoughts on 983 00:44:18,779 --> 00:44:15,520 it I mean why why have there been no 984 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:18,789 leaks from this administration I think 985 00:44:22,819 --> 00:44:21,130 that you know there's a whole bit long 986 00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:22,829 history here so it's a great question 987 00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,460 and that's what's fascinating about the 988 00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,440 a tip program this advanced aerial 989 00:44:34,049 --> 00:44:31,599 threat identification program that 990 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:34,059 Louise Elizondo was was part of because 991 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:38,170 of your scenarios we already know what 992 00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:40,930 we know for a fact now for a recorded 993 00:44:47,130 --> 00:44:44,079 fact mainstream for the first time now 994 00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:47,140 accepts that there is a UFO phenomenon 995 00:44:52,170 --> 00:44:51,250 and prior to the December we didn't have 996 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:52,180 that so 997 00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:55,450 scenario once kind of shot now now we 998 00:45:00,569 --> 00:44:57,849 know that they know something so your 999 00:45:02,910 --> 00:45:00,579 scenario too we we have a better feeling 1000 00:45:05,130 --> 00:45:02,920 is this situation or at least publicly 1001 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:05,140 officially that's a situation is that 1002 00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:07,210 they are looking into unknown 1003 00:45:12,420 --> 00:45:10,240 unidentified aircraft and that at least 1004 00:45:14,849 --> 00:45:12,430 some people including Elizondo who ran 1005 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:14,859 the program believed that we have a real 1006 00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:17,170 phenomena here we we don't know what it 1007 00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:19,420 is he's very clear about that he doesn't 1008 00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:21,940 know if it's outer space he says inner 1009 00:45:25,859 --> 00:45:24,220 space are somewhere in between but 1010 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:25,869 there's there's advanced technology 1011 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:28,410 that's not ours so we know at least 1012 00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,210 scenario twos the case and I think 1013 00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:33,520 you're you're right if there was a 1014 00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:36,520 scenario 3 where he was briefed he would 1015 00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:37,950 have I think he would have probably 1016 00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:42,640 spoken to it especially because Hillary 1017 00:45:48,089 --> 00:45:45,670 did I mean Hillary brought up UFOs and 1018 00:45:50,460 --> 00:45:48,099 John Podesta brought up of course kind 1019 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:50,470 of coaxed her into bringing up UFOs and 1020 00:45:56,370 --> 00:45:52,510 she said she would reveal information 1021 00:45:58,799 --> 00:45:56,380 and so it was a topic and so I think 1022 00:46:01,319 --> 00:45:58,809 those of us who watch politics and are 1023 00:46:03,329 --> 00:46:01,329 also in this field and historically you 1024 00:46:05,099 --> 00:46:03,339 know politicians have been made fun of 1025 00:46:07,859 --> 00:46:05,109 once they they mentioned things like 1026 00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,869 this but Trump did not jump on it he 1027 00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:09,760 didn't jump on it and start making fun 1028 00:46:15,870 --> 00:46:13,180 of Hillary or Podesta and nor has he 1029 00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:15,880 done that to this day which is really 1030 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:19,270 interesting it indicates to me he 1031 00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:20,770 doesn't want to disenfranchise people 1032 00:46:26,490 --> 00:46:23,710 who believe in those things but also he 1033 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:26,500 perhaps doesn't have any information or 1034 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:28,210 else like you said he would be out there 1035 00:46:32,190 --> 00:46:30,250 about it but it's really interesting 1036 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:32,200 that he's been so silent 1037 00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:34,930 even though kind of Hillary's camp 1038 00:46:40,799 --> 00:46:37,599 lobbed him this this this softball that 1039 00:46:43,710 --> 00:46:40,809 he could have you know to spiked home to 1040 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:43,720 make fun of her and he didn't do it so I 1041 00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,970 think that you have an interesting 1042 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:48,160 question and it's an interesting I think 1043 00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:49,690 one of the follow-up questions one of 1044 00:46:53,609 --> 00:46:51,430 the things I want to ask you Liz on to 1045 00:46:56,190 --> 00:46:53,619 is does he know was the White House 1046 00:46:58,500 --> 00:46:56,200 briefed on their work especially the 1047 00:47:01,890 --> 00:46:58,510 papers they had done it's possible they 1048 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:01,900 weren't it's possible that you know they 1049 00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,490 were so embarrassed that they would buy 1050 00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:05,920 this whole topic and that this 1051 00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:07,510 they're doing that they wanted to keep 1052 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:10,089 it away from the political arena as much 1053 00:47:13,859 --> 00:47:11,890 as possible and and some of the 1054 00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:13,869 politicians read and others kind of have 1055 00:47:18,359 --> 00:47:16,240 suggested that that we felt this was a 1056 00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:18,369 serious thing that we had to look into 1057 00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:20,440 it the public thinks it's goofy so 1058 00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:22,329 that's why we had to keep it very secret 1059 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:24,670 and so perhaps they did just try to keep 1060 00:47:30,809 --> 00:47:27,970 it just under wraps for as long as 1061 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:30,819 possible that's another possibility but 1062 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:33,130 I would love to ask Ellis under what he 1063 00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:35,770 knows now when you asked Nick Pope what 1064 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:37,990 the Royals knew and if they were ever 1065 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:41,530 briefed on his project he says I can't 1066 00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:45,130 answer that question so he's and 1067 00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:47,049 Elizondo may have say the same thing 1068 00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:48,760 that unfortunately that information is 1069 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:51,880 is classified till I can't share it but 1070 00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:56,290 great question but you know I mean at 1071 00:48:00,059 --> 00:47:58,210 this point well I mean at this point 1072 00:48:03,210 --> 00:48:00,069 I've even I've forgotten which wish 1073 00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:03,220 snare is one two or three forgive me on 1074 00:48:08,819 --> 00:48:07,270 that but just to go to the basic over 1075 00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:08,829 the years there's been all these claims 1076 00:48:13,789 --> 00:48:11,740 about crash stuff at Roswell crashed up 1077 00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:13,799 at other locations hit me an 1078 00:48:18,750 --> 00:48:16,270 extraterrestrial and I just have a hard 1079 00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:18,760 time believing that if those things 1080 00:48:26,339 --> 00:48:21,430 actually happened Trump would not have 1081 00:48:28,890 --> 00:48:26,349 been briefed because that is that is 1082 00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:28,900 here a major implicational national 1083 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:31,569 security so well it makes me what makes 1084 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:34,569 me think that that kind of leads me into 1085 00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:37,690 thinking that possibly the government 1086 00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:40,329 has always those crashes didn't happen 1087 00:48:45,059 --> 00:48:42,910 but the government suspects were being 1088 00:48:46,799 --> 00:48:45,069 visited and the suspicion has not 1089 00:48:48,990 --> 00:48:46,809 warranted briefing him on anything 1090 00:48:52,049 --> 00:48:49,000 because you know he won't be able to 1091 00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:52,059 keep his yes I think you're exactly 1092 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:54,670 right I think what you just said is 1093 00:48:58,530 --> 00:48:56,770 probably the case personally I think 1094 00:49:00,539 --> 00:48:58,540 that's the most likely case as 1095 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:00,549 frustrating as that might be for some 1096 00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:02,890 people however I think it's interesting 1097 00:49:09,059 --> 00:49:05,049 what Bill Clinton said Bill Clinton said 1098 00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:09,069 about UFO research she said you know I 1099 00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,540 looked into it I didn't find anything 1100 00:49:15,329 --> 00:49:12,880 but he said I would not be the first 1101 00:49:17,819 --> 00:49:15,339 president that career bureaucrats have 1102 00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:17,829 lied to so it's possible they just 1103 00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:20,560 didn't share the information with me 1104 00:49:25,770 --> 00:49:23,920 I admit he looks specifically at Roswell 1105 00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:25,780 and found nothing I think he got web 1106 00:49:31,170 --> 00:49:28,030 hubbell located yeah he look he we 1107 00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:31,180 looked at Roswell he had Hubble look at 1108 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:37,660 Roswell and JFK he also had some he said 1109 00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:39,820 he looked into area 51 and actually 1110 00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:42,400 during his presidency there was a big 1111 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:43,870 to-do with a lawsuit 1112 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:47,410 at area 51 so he was definitely that he 1113 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:49,330 had to get involved with area 51 was it 1114 00:49:54,780 --> 00:49:53,050 wasn't something he was aware of so he 1115 00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:54,790 kind of alludes to that he asked hey do 1116 00:49:59,550 --> 00:49:57,220 you guys have any alien to UFOs there or 1117 00:50:01,800 --> 00:49:59,560 something but yeah it's unclear exactly 1118 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:01,810 everything he did to look into this 1119 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:05,170 topic of course he did work with a 1120 00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:07,570 Laurance Rockefeller at least was 1121 00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:09,220 friends with Laurance Rockefeller who 1122 00:50:17,310 --> 00:50:12,880 did a briefing on the topic that he 1123 00:50:20,850 --> 00:50:17,320 shared with the Clinton so so a Clinton 1124 00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:20,860 obviously is into the topic but yeah it 1125 00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:22,270 was an interesting statement to say I 1126 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:24,430 could be being light him I would think 1127 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:26,290 that when the New York Times article 1128 00:50:31,470 --> 00:50:29,290 came out that he had to they had to have 1129 00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:31,480 some type of preparation for when they 1130 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:33,640 have those press meetings because of 1131 00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,290 that topic could have come up so they 1132 00:50:39,780 --> 00:50:36,720 probably had to have some type of 1133 00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:39,790 briefing for that how much you know I've 1134 00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,180 always thought that and I'm still under 1135 00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:44,800 the belief that the government really 1136 00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:46,750 doesn't know what's going on and that's 1137 00:50:52,590 --> 00:50:50,380 why you know whether it's it's the the 1138 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:52,600 part that's scary about it is if they 1139 00:50:56,460 --> 00:50:54,610 don't know what's going on is almost as 1140 00:50:59,370 --> 00:50:56,470 scary as if they do know what's going on 1141 00:51:02,760 --> 00:50:59,380 you know yeah well and they did ask the 1142 00:51:07,290 --> 00:51:02,770 DoD for quotes probably early on while 1143 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:07,300 they were working on the article and the 1144 00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:09,250 article came out early December they had 1145 00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:11,470 been working on it probably since late 1146 00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:14,020 October since Louisa Elizondo I came out 1147 00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:17,230 maybe since September so the DoD was 1148 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:19,270 prepared and the DoD did give them a 1149 00:51:25,530 --> 00:51:21,610 quote to say that yes this program did 1150 00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,540 exist we did fund it from 2007 to 2012 1151 00:51:30,090 --> 00:51:28,000 so you're right at that point they knew 1152 00:51:31,830 --> 00:51:30,100 and so and they knew the story was 1153 00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:31,840 coming out and I think that's another 1154 00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:33,609 interesting aspect of 1155 00:51:40,620 --> 00:51:38,079 story is the silence the this that they 1156 00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:40,630 have that one quote that the the project 1157 00:51:47,009 --> 00:51:43,480 existed otherwise they've said nothing 1158 00:51:50,759 --> 00:51:47,019 and they have not disputed any of 1159 00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,769 elizondo's claims right alejandro thanks 1160 00:51:54,089 --> 00:51:52,720 so much it's been a real pleasure and i 1161 00:51:56,190 --> 00:51:54,099 really appreciate you spending this time 1162 00:51:57,839 --> 00:51:56,200 with us it's really funny you've you 1163 00:52:02,579 --> 00:51:57,849 started out in daylight and now you're 1164 00:52:05,029 --> 00:52:02,589 pitch black really yeah alright so 1165 00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,039 that's it thanks so much alejandro and 1166 00:52:09,809 --> 00:52:08,079 you yes and i'll be talking to you next 1167 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,819 well hey have a great time yeah i know 1168 00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:11,680 you have a next week are oh yeah yeah 1169 00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:18,380 yes i can go - all right thanks Ryan 1170 00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:21,430 like watch that video and subscribe to 1171 00:52:26,579 --> 00:52:25,089 our youtube channel please because 1172 00:52:28,769 --> 00:52:26,589 that's free nice talking to you too 1173 00:52:30,479 --> 00:52:28,779 and then for just a few bucks a month 1174 00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:30,489 you can get our video on demand and you 1175 00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:32,950 can find all that UFO Congress comm so 1176 00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:34,900 go check it out Thank You Martin all 1177 00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:35,980 right take care 1178 00:52:42,210 --> 00:52:39,160 alright our next guest is Mac Maloney 1179 00:52:50,299 --> 00:52:42,220 and he'll be coming right up hang in 1180 00:56:38,229 --> 00:56:30,789 you 1181 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:38,239 topic in general well yeah we have our 1182 00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,729 own show on Magna Lonnie's military 1183 00:56:44,739 --> 00:56:41,599 x-files 1184 00:56:47,259 --> 00:56:44,749 run a bunch of Internet networks or and 1185 00:56:49,449 --> 00:56:47,269 so we're always you know at least once a 1186 00:56:51,669 --> 00:56:49,459 week we get together and talk about 1187 00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:51,679 what's going on with current UFOs it 1188 00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,910 just kind of you know stuff that's 1189 00:56:56,469 --> 00:56:54,799 happening paranormal-wise and then we 1190 00:56:59,679 --> 00:56:56,479 always do like a couple of classic kind 1191 00:57:02,529 --> 00:56:59,689 of military UFO encounter reports every 1192 00:57:05,499 --> 00:57:02,539 week so yeah you know we definitely kind 1193 00:57:07,809 --> 00:57:05,509 of stay in touch with it yeah I've been 1194 00:57:09,939 --> 00:57:07,819 on your show twice so far enough uh-huh 1195 00:57:12,009 --> 00:57:09,949 it's a blast I mean I don't know you 1196 00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:12,019 just do a lot of laughing and there's a 1197 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:13,369 lot of funny thing you're not afraid to 1198 00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:15,170 say anything on your show it's kind of a 1199 00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:18,729 we got kind of a family show here so we 1200 00:57:25,029 --> 00:57:20,209 carry today 1201 00:57:26,339 --> 00:57:25,039 okay missing message received a mine you 1202 00:57:29,380 --> 00:57:26,349 know one of the things that we were 1203 00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:29,390 discussing and thanks for I don't know 1204 00:57:32,829 --> 00:57:30,529 if I mentioned this but thanks for 1205 00:57:35,439 --> 00:57:32,839 coming on in last minute like this maybe 1206 00:57:38,380 --> 00:57:35,449 why not yeah they that wasn't prepared 1207 00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:38,390 for the guests not showing up one of the 1208 00:57:43,509 --> 00:57:41,689 things you want to talk about is things 1209 00:57:46,029 --> 00:57:43,519 that I have never heard of before and 1210 00:57:49,989 --> 00:57:46,039 one of them is a scare ship what it 1211 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:49,999 would 1909 what is that 1212 00:57:53,620 --> 00:57:52,130 uh-huh well when we were talking about 1213 00:57:54,999 --> 00:57:53,630 here earlier we're talking about you 1214 00:57:57,099 --> 00:57:55,009 know what we you know what can we 1215 00:57:59,919 --> 00:57:57,109 discuss that you know a lot of people 1216 00:58:02,499 --> 00:57:59,929 may not have heard of and these are in 1217 00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:02,509 I've kind of found these researching the 1218 00:58:07,479 --> 00:58:05,689 book UFOs and a lot time and I can't 1219 00:58:09,219 --> 00:58:07,489 find the story and people had written 1220 00:58:12,219 --> 00:58:09,229 about before but for some reason there 1221 00:58:16,329 --> 00:58:12,229 was news to me that back in 1909 over 1222 00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:16,339 England there was a viscid year and a 1223 00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:18,049 half or so of people seeing these things 1224 00:58:22,509 --> 00:58:20,049 that came to be known as scare ships 1225 00:58:25,299 --> 00:58:22,519 what they most closely resembled were 1226 00:58:27,309 --> 00:58:25,309 resemblance which were used in World War 1227 00:58:29,439 --> 00:58:27,319 one but not until five years later and 1228 00:58:31,449 --> 00:58:29,449 at the time the Germans had just you 1229 00:58:34,809 --> 00:58:31,459 know basically invented the Zeppelin and 1230 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:34,819 they hadn't even flown them off of off 1231 00:58:39,309 --> 00:58:36,410 attempt as yet you know they hadn't been 1232 00:58:40,929 --> 00:58:39,319 flown independently so these these 1233 00:58:42,849 --> 00:58:40,939 things that people saw over England 1234 00:58:44,590 --> 00:58:42,859 we're not Zeppelin's and in fact um 1235 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:44,600 Glenn Zeppelin himself said they weren't 1236 00:58:48,370 --> 00:58:45,890 zeppelins but anyway what there were 1237 00:58:50,350 --> 00:58:48,380 there were these huge airships they 1238 00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:50,360 would could fly very fast I go Zeppelin 1239 00:58:55,830 --> 00:58:53,540 could fly at top speed maybe 15 miles an 1240 00:58:57,700 --> 00:58:55,840 hour these things were clocked at going 1241 00:58:59,950 --> 00:58:57,710 250 miles an hour 1242 00:59:02,560 --> 00:58:59,960 they're seen all over England there were 1243 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:02,570 more than one of them a lot of times 1244 00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:04,490 people would see them there would be 1245 00:59:08,830 --> 00:59:05,960 when people would see them they'd be 1246 00:59:10,690 --> 00:59:08,840 they'd also see men and black on the 1247 00:59:12,550 --> 00:59:10,700 ground so it was really the first really 1248 00:59:15,250 --> 00:59:12,560 we could an incident of people seeing 1249 00:59:18,370 --> 00:59:15,260 men in black and no one know what they 1250 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:18,380 were and they they you know as I say 1251 00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,010 stayed for one summer and in 1909 they 1252 00:59:27,700 --> 00:59:25,040 kind of slowly faded away during that 1253 00:59:29,620 --> 00:59:27,710 when two people did see some in 1910 and 1254 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:29,630 then they went away completely and I 1255 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:31,250 never figured out what they were where 1256 00:59:36,220 --> 00:59:33,410 they came from other than the fact that 1257 00:59:38,020 --> 00:59:36,230 they flew way faster than any kind of 1258 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:38,030 zebedee even today blimps can only know 1259 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:40,130 both you know 50 miles an hour maybe 60 1260 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:42,290 these things were clocked literally 1261 00:59:47,830 --> 00:59:45,170 clocked from London to outlying villages 1262 00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:47,840 outlying towns that going at an excess 1263 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:49,220 of 250 miles an hour 1264 00:59:54,430 --> 00:59:52,370 now what would what have have the 1265 00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:54,440 skeptics approach that and come up with 1266 01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:57,370 any ideas on what they thought they were 1267 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:02,000 as far as you know well no you know 1268 01:00:07,210 --> 01:00:04,250 they're the rumors at the time were that 1269 01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,220 you know if you go back in history to 1270 01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:09,440 that time everyone just assumed that 1271 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:11,240 there was gonna be a war between Germany 1272 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:14,650 and you know the and the British 1273 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:17,690 sometime and so some people would say 1274 01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,330 well you know this was really just kind 1275 01:00:24,910 --> 01:00:22,160 of some nefarious plot by British 1276 01:00:28,030 --> 01:00:24,920 intelligence to get people used to 1277 01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:28,040 seeing enemy you know aircraft flying 1278 01:00:32,020 --> 01:00:29,510 overhead because that hadn't happened 1279 01:00:34,090 --> 01:00:32,030 before in one time you know as a way to 1280 01:00:36,190 --> 01:00:34,100 get the population ready for a wall 1281 01:00:38,380 --> 01:00:36,200 which you know you still would have had 1282 01:00:39,460 --> 01:00:38,390 to build the things and and and if you 1283 01:00:40,810 --> 01:00:39,470 were able to build them ruch 1284 01:00:42,070 --> 01:00:40,820 intelligence were able to build them 1285 01:00:44,250 --> 01:00:42,080 then they would have been way ahead of 1286 01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,260 the Germans as far as you know a ship 1287 01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:46,880 you know a construction and using 1288 01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:48,880 airships as weapons was concerned so I 1289 01:00:52,660 --> 01:00:51,200 never really saw anything that you know 1290 01:00:54,730 --> 01:00:52,670 made any sense there were there were 1291 01:00:57,339 --> 01:00:54,740 issues sightings in the United States in 1292 01:01:00,479 --> 01:00:57,349 the late 1800s and there 1293 01:01:03,479 --> 01:01:00,489 ship sightings seen throughout Europe in 1294 01:01:06,099 --> 01:01:03,489 right before World War one started but 1295 01:01:07,989 --> 01:01:06,109 nothing like the intensity and the 1296 01:01:11,979 --> 01:01:07,999 frequency that people saw them over and 1297 01:01:14,349 --> 01:01:11,989 over England in the summer about 1909 it 1298 01:01:17,140 --> 01:01:14,359 seems to me that I read something about 1299 01:01:20,019 --> 01:01:17,150 this possibly didn't some of them have 1300 01:01:21,549 --> 01:01:20,029 lights too or is that and I yeah there 1301 01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:21,559 were lights no that's right they were 1302 01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:24,559 robbed they had searchlights that they 1303 01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,630 would shine down at the ground very 1304 01:01:30,819 --> 01:01:28,880 intense which I didn't have at the time 1305 01:01:33,569 --> 01:01:30,829 we didn't have mell like that nothing 1306 01:01:37,029 --> 01:01:33,579 like that nothing right to carry 1307 01:01:39,249 --> 01:01:37,039 something it one way back then you know 1308 01:01:42,430 --> 01:01:39,259 I mean it was everything had to do with 1309 01:01:44,979 --> 01:01:42,440 weight and the lighter you can make it 1310 01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,989 the better you were going to be able to 1311 01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:46,880 fly so but to have these huge 1312 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:49,180 searchlights and you would have meant 1313 01:01:53,259 --> 01:01:51,170 generators you would need you know 1314 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:53,269 mountain weight places to mount the 1315 01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:54,650 lights on the bottom of these things but 1316 01:01:58,719 --> 01:01:56,329 whenever people saw them they had these 1317 01:02:00,219 --> 01:01:58,729 really bright lights on and then some 1318 01:02:02,469 --> 01:02:00,229 people said well maybe they had spy 1319 01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:02,479 blimps from Germany and people would 1320 01:02:06,009 --> 01:02:04,609 point out well why would you have a spy 1321 01:02:08,049 --> 01:02:06,019 blimp with two you know huge 1322 01:02:09,729 --> 01:02:08,059 searchlights you know shining down at 1323 01:02:10,959 --> 01:02:09,739 the ground if you're trying to be you 1324 01:02:13,180 --> 01:02:10,969 know undercover or whatever I'm not 1325 01:02:16,690 --> 01:02:13,190 seeing but these things are so huge that 1326 01:02:18,249 --> 01:02:16,700 they were it was almost impossible not 1327 01:02:19,569 --> 01:02:18,259 to see them if there would happen to be 1328 01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:19,579 flying over and they always flew at 1329 01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:21,680 night too as well do you know about 1330 01:02:27,999 --> 01:02:25,670 sound any type of sound that pistol yep 1331 01:02:29,650 --> 01:02:28,009 just a whirring sound a sound and no 1332 01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:29,660 sound of any kind of engines or anything 1333 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:31,609 but just that sound of something you 1334 01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:36,170 know moving through the air and so I 1335 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:38,390 think it's funny like there's these 1336 01:02:44,829 --> 01:02:41,930 flaps and if there's and then I want to 1337 01:02:46,749 --> 01:02:44,839 talk about some more later on as as 1338 01:02:49,059 --> 01:02:46,759 we're talking here but there's these 1339 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:49,069 flaps and it'll show up something 1340 01:02:53,620 --> 01:02:51,170 totally bizarre like that shows up and 1341 01:02:56,349 --> 01:02:53,630 then it's gone and mom never to be heard 1342 01:02:58,479 --> 01:02:56,359 from again right it's it's very strange 1343 01:03:01,569 --> 01:02:58,489 I mean you know as you say the these 1344 01:03:04,269 --> 01:03:01,579 things have happened before and they've 1345 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:04,279 happened you know after 1909 people 1346 01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:05,450 started seeing you know different things 1347 01:03:09,370 --> 01:03:07,430 the Foo Fighters during World War Two 1348 01:03:10,750 --> 01:03:09,380 and so on and you're right they just 1349 01:03:14,050 --> 01:03:10,760 seem to 1350 01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:14,060 you know they they appear there's an 1351 01:03:19,180 --> 01:03:16,550 intensity to them frequency to them and 1352 01:03:21,700 --> 01:03:19,190 then they kind of fade away and you know 1353 01:03:23,380 --> 01:03:21,710 you you can't explain them you know but 1354 01:03:25,930 --> 01:03:23,390 they they do all seem to kind of have 1355 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:25,940 that that pattern yeah let's talk about 1356 01:03:29,710 --> 01:03:28,010 Foo Fighters because that's I don't know 1357 01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:29,720 if you and I have ever really discussed 1358 01:03:35,590 --> 01:03:32,960 that too much but were they as far as 1359 01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:35,600 you know words that only orbs is what 1360 01:03:41,350 --> 01:03:38,390 they saw or was no do people see 1361 01:03:42,970 --> 01:03:41,360 structured structured things you know 1362 01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:42,980 orbs were the ones that were the most 1363 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:45,470 reported but you know there was again I 1364 01:03:50,770 --> 01:03:48,290 wrote a lot about this and UFOs in a 1365 01:03:52,270 --> 01:03:50,780 long time where people reported your 1366 01:03:54,190 --> 01:03:52,280 regular flying saucers you know 1367 01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:54,200 literally the sizes a lot of the 1368 01:04:03,000 --> 01:03:58,720 cigar-shaped objects triangle objects 1369 01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:03,010 you know round balls of light but also 1370 01:04:07,860 --> 01:04:05,750 you know things that were circular but 1371 01:04:10,330 --> 01:04:07,870 looked like they were made of something 1372 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:10,340 you know there was a whole variety of 1373 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:12,290 them and and you know one misconception 1374 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:15,290 well back then the way that the British 1375 01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,570 and the Americans looked at it is that 1376 01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:19,520 yeah these things are strange but you 1377 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:21,110 know we have to fight this war so we 1378 01:04:24,850 --> 01:04:23,690 can't you know really spend any time and 1379 01:04:27,970 --> 01:04:24,860 resources trying to figure out what 1380 01:04:29,110 --> 01:04:27,980 these things were I mean a lot of people 1381 01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:29,120 the British would convinced that they 1382 01:04:35,770 --> 01:04:32,210 would German secret weapons but there is 1383 01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:35,780 no evidence that they ever had any kind 1384 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:40,640 of bad intent no no evidence no reports 1385 01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:43,250 of them shooting at our planes or our 1386 01:04:47,140 --> 01:04:45,470 troops or anything like that so the Foo 1387 01:04:49,810 --> 01:04:47,150 Fighters were they were just there you 1388 01:04:51,010 --> 01:04:49,820 know after researching a lot I came to 1389 01:04:53,740 --> 01:04:51,020 believe they were just they're observing 1390 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:53,750 they're observing law you know maybe 1391 01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:55,370 they would time tourists maybe they were 1392 01:05:00,340 --> 01:04:57,110 tourists you know people who came back 1393 01:05:03,580 --> 01:05:00,350 in time to see history being made and 1394 01:05:05,410 --> 01:05:03,590 then when the war was over 1395 01:05:08,140 --> 01:05:05,420 you know when they the Americans were 1396 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:08,150 able to kind of debrief the German 1397 01:05:10,990 --> 01:05:10,250 rocket scientists German military 1398 01:05:13,330 --> 01:05:11,000 Luftwaffe 1399 01:05:15,250 --> 01:05:13,340 they all said you know we thought they 1400 01:05:17,470 --> 01:05:15,260 were your secret weapons so each side 1401 01:05:18,850 --> 01:05:17,480 thought they were this secret weapon and 1402 01:05:20,770 --> 01:05:18,860 then and they happen in the Pacific as 1403 01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:20,780 well they saw what the Foo Fighters in 1404 01:05:24,130 --> 01:05:22,640 the Pacific that and the difference was 1405 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:24,140 was 1406 01:05:29,590 --> 01:05:26,930 the USA air force in England did finally 1407 01:05:31,630 --> 01:05:29,600 release you know it's files on issues 1408 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:31,640 that were on Foo Fighters but the US 1409 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:34,210 Navy has never released its files on 1410 01:05:39,220 --> 01:05:36,410 unidentified flying objects during the 1411 01:05:41,710 --> 01:05:39,230 Pacific War so you know who knows what 1412 01:05:44,620 --> 01:05:41,720 that contains now so it wasn't too much 1413 01:05:47,170 --> 01:05:44,630 longer just say five years later or so 1414 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:47,180 five or seven years later the Korean War 1415 01:05:52,990 --> 01:05:50,930 started do you happen to know did anyone 1416 01:05:56,140 --> 01:05:53,000 say anything about Foo Fighters again or 1417 01:05:58,270 --> 01:05:56,150 was it just in world war two nope you 1418 01:06:00,910 --> 01:05:58,280 know this it's it's funny because of all 1419 01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:00,920 these laws that I you know had written 1420 01:06:05,050 --> 01:06:03,200 about and your flows in one time the 1421 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:05,060 Korean War is really the most pivotal 1422 01:06:08,830 --> 01:06:07,730 one because for several reasons first of 1423 01:06:11,350 --> 01:06:08,840 all as you say there's only five years 1424 01:06:14,500 --> 01:06:11,360 after World War two but there had been a 1425 01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,510 transition in the US military and the 1426 01:06:18,370 --> 01:06:16,400 Air Force and the Navy and that you know 1427 01:06:20,620 --> 01:06:18,380 now we were flight flying almost purely 1428 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:20,630 jet fighters we were in World War two we 1429 01:06:24,490 --> 01:06:21,890 weren't fully we didn't fly any jet 1430 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:24,500 fighters as well operationally number 1431 01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:27,770 two of these these fighters had red eyes 1432 01:06:34,060 --> 01:06:31,280 in the plane so what would happen over 1433 01:06:36,210 --> 01:06:34,070 Korea that they would see a UFO you 1434 01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:36,220 would frequently see it on the ground 1435 01:06:41,710 --> 01:06:39,140 from a ground-based radar but also it'd 1436 01:06:44,340 --> 01:06:41,720 be picked up by the the radar on the 1437 01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:44,350 plane itself so you had almost like two 1438 01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,510 parallel routes of of proof that 1439 01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:49,520 something was up there and they serve a 1440 01:06:57,220 --> 01:06:53,060 lot of really exotic and very some very 1441 01:06:59,350 --> 01:06:57,230 large UFOs they had UFOs would endlessly 1442 01:07:01,600 --> 01:06:59,360 circle over aircraft carriers and as 1443 01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:01,610 soon as they would they would send two 1444 01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:03,710 planes to intercept them they disappear 1445 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:06,830 and and then also you know real quick 1446 01:07:11,950 --> 01:07:10,370 right before the Korean War started the 1447 01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:11,960 Air Force had come out with this kind of 1448 01:07:16,300 --> 01:07:14,330 bogus report on what they thought UFOs 1449 01:07:18,180 --> 01:07:16,310 were and the famous quote was that 1450 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:18,190 anyone who sees UFO is either 1451 01:07:22,180 --> 01:07:20,450 hallucinating it or you know they have 1452 01:07:24,250 --> 01:07:22,190 mental problems are their religious 1453 01:07:26,260 --> 01:07:24,260 fanatics and then you know here we have 1454 01:07:28,300 --> 01:07:26,270 suddenly thrust into the Korean War and 1455 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:28,310 our pilots are seeing them and picking 1456 01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:30,650 them up on radar and the military is in 1457 01:07:35,770 --> 01:07:33,050 this position of having to deny that 1458 01:07:37,300 --> 01:07:35,780 their pilots you know really just nuts 1459 01:07:39,610 --> 01:07:37,310 hallucinating things 1460 01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:39,620 have mental problems so that really kind 1461 01:07:44,590 --> 01:07:42,470 of was the push that started a project 1462 01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:44,600 Bluebook in the early 50s to you know 1463 01:07:47,650 --> 01:07:46,310 they I think is well lip-service than 1464 01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:47,660 anything but they knew they had to do 1465 01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:48,170 something 1466 01:07:52,570 --> 01:07:50,450 after the commune why because so many 1467 01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:52,580 pilots saw them and they picked up so 1468 01:07:58,180 --> 01:07:54,770 many times on right now right and you 1469 01:08:01,390 --> 01:07:58,190 know you think of you think of modern 1470 01:08:03,820 --> 01:08:01,400 ufology as they say started in 1947 you 1471 01:08:08,050 --> 01:08:03,830 know with the Edwards sighting and then 1472 01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:08,060 Roswell etc and then but we have these 1473 01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:13,610 things around them you know pre 1947 you 1474 01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:17,270 have the Foo Fighters and you also have 1475 01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:19,490 another topic I'd really like to talk 1476 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:24,490 about and the the ghost ships of Sweden 1477 01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:31,730 1946 no it was the ghost fliers of 1933 1478 01:08:37,539 --> 01:08:33,920 oh we're talk I I was confusing with the 1479 01:08:39,220 --> 01:08:37,549 ghost ships of 1946 and Sweden your time 1480 01:08:41,650 --> 01:08:39,230 but you want to talk about the ghost 1481 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:41,660 fliers I'm slow it it's funny because 1482 01:08:44,770 --> 01:08:43,130 they almost there's almost like a 1483 01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,780 connection between them base basically 1484 01:08:49,210 --> 01:08:47,120 what the ghost fly is in 1933 over this 1485 01:08:50,890 --> 01:08:49,220 there's very isolated part of Sweden up 1486 01:08:53,050 --> 01:08:50,900 in northern Sweden near the Arctic 1487 01:08:55,450 --> 01:08:53,060 Circle people started seeing these weird 1488 01:08:57,220 --> 01:08:55,460 aircraft and they were like very Lodge 1489 01:09:00,039 --> 01:08:57,230 they had like some of them had eight 1490 01:09:01,480 --> 01:09:00,049 engines on them yet they had pontoons on 1491 01:09:03,220 --> 01:09:01,490 them you know that would indicate that 1492 01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:03,230 they were you know could land on the 1493 01:09:06,460 --> 01:09:04,640 water even though they're flying over 1494 01:09:08,770 --> 01:09:06,470 basically the Attic spherical there was 1495 01:09:10,690 --> 01:09:08,780 no water up there people would see them 1496 01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:10,700 doing strange things like they would 1497 01:09:14,440 --> 01:09:12,680 circle mountains for hours they would 1498 01:09:16,930 --> 01:09:14,450 circle radio I mean them 1499 01:09:18,820 --> 01:09:16,940 railroad stations for hours in all kinds 1500 01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:18,830 of weather I mean people would see these 1501 01:09:22,329 --> 01:09:20,450 things flying and blizzards in command 1502 01:09:25,570 --> 01:09:22,339 when a blizzard is like you know in 1503 01:09:27,789 --> 01:09:25,580 northern Sweden and and they would hear 1504 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:27,799 them all the time they're very loud just 1505 01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:31,970 very unusual-looking airplanes that once 1506 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:33,920 again no one ever figured out where they 1507 01:09:38,650 --> 01:09:35,810 came from they people started seeing at 1508 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:38,660 the very tail end of 33 and then until 1509 01:09:43,599 --> 01:09:41,810 the summer of 34 and people saw some of 1510 01:09:46,030 --> 01:09:43,609 them flying in formations for instance 1511 01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:46,040 and you know no one that once again no 1512 01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:47,359 one ever figured of what they were and 1513 01:09:50,650 --> 01:09:49,970 in when you can't look at it where you 1514 01:09:53,890 --> 01:09:50,660 had this in 1515 01:09:55,810 --> 01:09:53,900 miss airplane for some reason with you 1516 01:09:59,860 --> 01:09:55,820 know equipped with pontoons flying over 1517 01:10:02,500 --> 01:09:59,870 the tundra up there you know with in in 1518 01:10:04,180 --> 01:10:02,510 more than one you know at one point I 1519 01:10:05,980 --> 01:10:04,190 know one night they thought they you 1520 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:05,990 know people saw at least a twelve of 1521 01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:10,010 them flying over Sweden and but we would 1522 01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,110 you we would you have the logistics to 1523 01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:14,960 launch airplanes like this in 1933 they 1524 01:10:18,940 --> 01:10:17,120 they were barely had metal airplanes 1525 01:10:21,100 --> 01:10:18,950 back then not these enormous eight 1526 01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:21,110 engine planes and and you know they 1527 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:22,370 couldn't land on an aircraft carrier 1528 01:10:26,170 --> 01:10:25,010 they weren't coming from Germany they 1529 01:10:27,670 --> 01:10:26,180 weren't coming from Russia 1530 01:10:29,470 --> 01:10:27,680 no one ever figured of where they were 1531 01:10:31,450 --> 01:10:29,480 coming from and and once again as we 1532 01:10:34,030 --> 01:10:31,460 were saying all of a sudden yeah there's 1533 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:34,040 intensity frequency and then as the 1534 01:10:39,700 --> 01:10:36,890 summer came they kind of died away they 1535 01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:39,710 could just kind of fade it away and you 1536 01:10:42,490 --> 01:10:41,090 know no one ever came forward and said 1537 01:10:44,140 --> 01:10:42,500 oh you know I worked on the secret 1538 01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:44,150 project years ago you know where to find 1539 01:10:48,250 --> 01:10:45,920 these big planes over Sweden no one ever 1540 01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:48,260 came forward to have any kind of 1541 01:10:53,310 --> 01:10:50,930 information yet lots of people saw them 1542 01:10:56,290 --> 01:10:53,320 the Swedish Air Force used to chase them 1543 01:10:58,750 --> 01:10:56,300 just very strange so ghost flies very 1544 01:11:00,850 --> 01:10:58,760 very odd and then it's just another 1545 01:11:03,940 --> 01:11:00,860 thing that nobody ever had an answer for 1546 01:11:06,730 --> 01:11:03,950 right and then in 1946 as you were 1547 01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:06,740 saying before young people call them the 1548 01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:08,870 ghost rockets over the same part of 1549 01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:11,360 Sweden though more people saw them what 1550 01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:15,520 they saw was these um well rockets that 1551 01:11:23,050 --> 01:11:19,520 would fly over populated areas in up 1552 01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:23,060 into this kind of you know wasteland in 1553 01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:26,210 northern Sweden thousands of people saw 1554 01:11:30,490 --> 01:11:28,490 them now we have radar they picked up on 1555 01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:30,500 radar in fact the u.s. I mean the 1556 01:11:35,530 --> 01:11:32,830 British actually gave ran out of Sweden 1557 01:11:37,570 --> 01:11:35,540 against their international treaties 1558 01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:37,580 because Sweden is a you know at the time 1559 01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:39,890 was a neutral country but they were so 1560 01:11:42,730 --> 01:11:41,510 freaked out about seeing these rockets 1561 01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:42,740 go overhead they had the British 1562 01:11:48,940 --> 01:11:45,890 actually gave them radar to pick them up 1563 01:11:53,620 --> 01:11:48,950 which they did the US Air Force sent 1564 01:11:55,660 --> 01:11:53,630 over Jimmy Doolittle who led the thirty 1565 01:11:57,850 --> 01:11:55,670 seconds over Tokyo ray and another 1566 01:12:00,430 --> 01:11:57,860 gentleman named Sarnoff who went on to 1567 01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:00,440 start NBC the NBC network he was in the 1568 01:12:04,419 --> 01:12:02,210 military at the time they went over and 1569 01:12:06,459 --> 01:12:04,429 they saw evidence of these things 1570 01:12:08,469 --> 01:12:06,469 they had no idea what they were they 1571 01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:08,479 thought maybe the Russians were we're 1572 01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:12,110 firing off old v1 buzz bomb rockets but 1573 01:12:16,959 --> 01:12:15,199 you know because pin of Monday where the 1574 01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:16,969 Germans built those things was kind of 1575 01:12:20,890 --> 01:12:19,760 close by but that had been stripped and 1576 01:12:22,660 --> 01:12:20,900 brought back to Russia 1577 01:12:25,870 --> 01:12:22,670 there was nothing at peenemünde anymore 1578 01:12:28,899 --> 01:12:25,880 so in the several 46 at one point 1579 01:12:30,279 --> 01:12:28,909 swedish if was by get right up close to 1580 01:12:33,370 --> 01:12:30,289 one of these things and he threw long 1581 01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:33,380 with it and he did a sketch and and and 1582 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:35,840 you know had a verbal description of it 1583 01:12:40,449 --> 01:12:37,610 and it and when you read that 1584 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:40,459 description it it matches almost exactly 1585 01:12:46,419 --> 01:12:43,489 actually pretty exactly to a Tomahawk 1586 01:12:48,129 --> 01:12:46,429 cruise missile you know of our era you 1587 01:12:50,739 --> 01:12:48,139 know but Tomahawk cruise missiles didn't 1588 01:12:53,290 --> 01:12:50,749 come in - they weren't flying those 1589 01:12:55,390 --> 01:12:53,300 things until like the late 80s so what 1590 01:12:58,449 --> 01:12:55,400 was a Tomahawk cruise missile doing over 1591 01:12:59,919 --> 01:12:58,459 Sweden in 1946 once again you know no 1592 01:13:01,419 --> 01:12:59,929 one's ever figured out no one ever came 1593 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:01,429 forward and said I worked on the secret 1594 01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:03,050 project or whatever the Swedish 1595 01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:04,400 government was was the first government 1596 01:13:07,239 --> 01:13:06,110 ever and they released a report and they 1597 01:13:08,949 --> 01:13:07,249 said they believed that they weren't 1598 01:13:10,419 --> 01:13:08,959 from Earth and the other strange thing 1599 01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:10,429 about him was lots of people saw them 1600 01:13:15,429 --> 01:13:13,280 crash into lakes that's and yeah and 1601 01:13:17,949 --> 01:13:15,439 then Pierre did this the Swedish Navy 1602 01:13:19,149 --> 01:13:17,959 would go to them into these lakes to 1603 01:13:22,419 --> 01:13:19,159 look from and they wouldn't find 1604 01:13:25,779 --> 01:13:22,429 anything never find him that's our thing 1605 01:13:30,759 --> 01:13:25,789 and one actually I remember speaking to 1606 01:13:33,969 --> 01:13:30,769 class Swann in Sweden and I think it was 1607 01:13:36,370 --> 01:13:33,979 in either the 70s or 80s a couple 1608 01:13:39,310 --> 01:13:36,380 witnessed one do exactly the same thing 1609 01:13:40,899 --> 01:13:39,320 I mean it's French it's it's too bad and 1610 01:13:43,089 --> 01:13:40,909 went right into a lake they all went 1611 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:43,099 into lakes or ruddy when they saw land 1612 01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:45,530 went into a lake right exactly yeah 1613 01:13:51,489 --> 01:13:48,289 which makes it totally bizarre and the 1614 01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,499 one that they searched was not a very 1615 01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,360 deep lake it was like 12 feet deep and 1616 01:13:56,919 --> 01:13:55,280 they still didn't find anything right 1617 01:13:59,020 --> 01:13:56,929 and the other thing too is because 1618 01:14:01,359 --> 01:13:59,030 you're so far north up there I I guess 1619 01:14:03,429 --> 01:14:01,369 that there is a lot of vegetation on the 1620 01:14:05,859 --> 01:14:03,439 bottom of the lakes so it's almost clear 1621 01:14:07,899 --> 01:14:05,869 sand so it isn't like you know they 1622 01:14:09,609 --> 01:14:07,909 they've lost them in the seaweed of the 1623 01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:09,619 lake weed or however you want to call it 1624 01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:11,329 they would go down there and there would 1625 01:14:15,790 --> 01:14:14,449 be nothing there and this is after you 1626 01:14:17,380 --> 01:14:15,800 know dozens if not hundreds of witnesses 1627 01:14:20,410 --> 01:14:17,390 saw something you know 1628 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:20,420 crash into the lake so you know once 1629 01:14:23,380 --> 01:14:21,770 again you have that you have the fact 1630 01:14:26,410 --> 01:14:23,390 that the description you know sounds 1631 01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,420 like a Tomahawk missile yeah your mind 1632 01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:28,400 just goes to places like well you know 1633 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:30,290 maybe things there are things that 1634 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:31,610 happen in this world that are just a 1635 01:14:35,530 --> 01:14:33,650 little bit out of time out of sync for 1636 01:14:37,630 --> 01:14:35,540 some reason yeah kind of like what 1637 01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:37,640 you've been talking about that almost 1638 01:14:44,260 --> 01:14:40,370 seems like that first of all the the 1639 01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:44,270 very large eight engine planes that kind 1640 01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:47,360 of came and disappeared plus of the the 1641 01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:50,000 Foo Fighters could possibly be observing 1642 01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:51,590 it all sounds like things out of time 1643 01:14:56,110 --> 01:14:53,840 doesn't it that is one of the theories 1644 01:15:00,580 --> 01:14:56,120 that I don't know you do hear people 1645 01:15:04,270 --> 01:15:00,590 come up with when it comes to UFOs may 1646 01:15:06,490 --> 01:15:04,280 be time travelers never bizarre I mean 1647 01:15:08,290 --> 01:15:06,500 again how we ever gonna find out the 1648 01:15:10,900 --> 01:15:08,300 answer unless we have to capture one of 1649 01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:10,910 those budgets right yeah I don't know 1650 01:15:15,460 --> 01:15:13,490 and and also the fact that that they 1651 01:15:18,100 --> 01:15:15,470 always have this patent of you know 1652 01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:18,110 showing up you know lots of people see 1653 01:15:21,340 --> 01:15:20,000 them in and I'm you know in a short 1654 01:15:25,300 --> 01:15:21,350 amount of time and then they just like 1655 01:15:28,450 --> 01:15:25,310 fade away they just go away and where do 1656 01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:28,460 they go right right and the fact that 1657 01:15:34,740 --> 01:15:32,270 nobody could ever recover any of them 1658 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:34,750 it's possible so I will I will let the 1659 01:15:39,490 --> 01:15:36,770 it seems like there's some people that 1660 01:15:41,740 --> 01:15:39,500 have a few questions coming in possibly 1661 01:15:44,620 --> 01:15:41,750 on the chat room so I will announce that 1662 01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:44,630 if someone wants to call in we're game 1663 01:15:48,190 --> 01:15:46,880 you can call in any time and that number 1664 01:15:50,890 --> 01:15:48,200 will be it right up on the screen in 1665 01:15:55,540 --> 01:15:50,900 just a second so that numbers up there 1666 01:15:57,370 --> 01:15:55,550 now if anyone wants to call in so Mac 1667 01:15:59,470 --> 01:15:57,380 have you given up the idea ever ever 1668 01:16:02,380 --> 01:15:59,480 writing another UFO book I know you told 1669 01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:02,390 me was a lot of work 1670 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:05,090 yeah probably it is a lot of work when 1671 01:16:10,780 --> 01:16:08,330 compared to young novels which is the 1672 01:16:12,190 --> 01:16:10,790 other you know the of the 15 no how many 1673 01:16:15,730 --> 01:16:12,200 books are written I hate to you know 1674 01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:15,740 confess that but I think it's 54 and 52 1675 01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:18,560 of them when they were novels and it's 1676 01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:20,330 just a lot easier you know it's just a 1677 01:16:27,190 --> 01:16:24,070 lot easier to do a fiction book with the 1678 01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:27,200 with the two UFO books you know I mean 1679 01:16:31,149 --> 01:16:28,850 just had to get a lot of research and 1680 01:16:33,850 --> 01:16:31,159 you know I enjoy it you 1681 01:16:35,529 --> 01:16:33,860 I learned a lot less lot of stuff that 1682 01:16:37,330 --> 01:16:35,539 you know I didn't know before but then 1683 01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:37,340 you have it have a fact checked and 1684 01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:40,249 vetted and you you know and it just it 1685 01:16:46,810 --> 01:16:44,719 took a long time and so I think those 1686 01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:46,820 two might be might be it for me yeah 1687 01:16:50,830 --> 01:16:49,249 yeah I can totally understand it I have 1688 01:16:52,299 --> 01:16:50,840 a number of times people have said oh 1689 01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:52,309 you should write a book but I'm just 1690 01:16:56,529 --> 01:16:54,169 someone who does a show you know I think 1691 01:16:58,060 --> 01:16:56,539 the only book I could ever write is just 1692 01:17:01,449 --> 01:16:58,070 the interesting two stories that people 1693 01:17:02,739 --> 01:17:01,459 tell on this show well you know a lot of 1694 01:17:04,209 --> 01:17:02,749 the books I write or over a hundred 1695 01:17:07,179 --> 01:17:04,219 thousand words you know so that's five 1696 01:17:09,370 --> 01:17:07,189 hundred pages and if you can imagine 1697 01:17:11,409 --> 01:17:09,380 what it's like writing the the the 1698 01:17:12,969 --> 01:17:11,419 longest biggest term paper of your life 1699 01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:12,979 you know and you know you have that 1700 01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:14,329 night man you need something to be 1701 01:17:18,339 --> 01:17:16,130 turned in the next day and you haven't 1702 01:17:21,219 --> 01:17:18,349 started it yet that's the kind of night 1703 01:17:24,189 --> 01:17:21,229 news writer so yeah yeah yeah what about 1704 01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:24,199 you you probably have something laid out 1705 01:17:28,659 --> 01:17:26,090 before you get started on something like 1706 01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:28,669 that so it's all it's all about research 1707 01:17:34,779 --> 01:17:31,249 do you actually do footnotes as well do 1708 01:17:39,839 --> 01:17:34,789 you ever do any of that they told me at 1709 01:17:42,129 --> 01:17:39,849 the publisher for beyond area 51 and 1710 01:17:43,810 --> 01:17:42,139 your voice from one time was Berkeley 1711 01:17:47,229 --> 01:17:43,820 books and I remember I went out to lunch 1712 01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,239 and like editor and I said to him you 1713 01:17:51,370 --> 01:17:49,280 know this is this we're gonna have you 1714 01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:51,380 know footnotes from us and he says no 1715 01:17:57,009 --> 01:17:54,800 because it's it with UFO books and books 1716 01:17:59,679 --> 01:17:57,019 about angels he who's these example he 1717 01:18:03,040 --> 01:17:59,689 said you don't need it to be so 1718 01:18:04,689 --> 01:18:03,050 scholarly you know so which was which is 1719 01:18:08,350 --> 01:18:04,699 great because putting in footnotes man 1720 01:18:09,850 --> 01:18:08,360 that's a pain you know oh yeah so but 1721 01:18:12,189 --> 01:18:09,860 you know he have a bibliography at the 1722 01:18:14,169 --> 01:18:12,199 end and stuff like that but you know 1723 01:18:15,759 --> 01:18:14,179 what he was saying was you know people 1724 01:18:17,409 --> 01:18:15,769 you know when they read books like that 1725 01:18:18,580 --> 01:18:17,419 they just want to read you know they 1726 01:18:20,379 --> 01:18:18,590 don't want to stop in the middle the 1727 01:18:22,659 --> 01:18:20,389 action and look what the footnote is and 1728 01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:22,669 you know they just want to they just 1729 01:18:26,589 --> 01:18:24,050 want to learn and they just want to read 1730 01:18:30,459 --> 01:18:26,599 and and they don't want any interruption 1731 01:18:33,250 --> 01:18:30,469 so I I agree with him there yeah yeah so 1732 01:18:35,459 --> 01:18:33,260 did we cover most of the topics you you 1733 01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:35,469 thought that we were gonna talk about 1734 01:18:41,529 --> 01:18:39,679 sure I mean you know but but the ghost 1735 01:18:44,109 --> 01:18:41,539 rockets was the one I wanted to but the 1736 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:44,119 the ghosts I didn't realize it was so 1737 01:18:48,069 --> 01:18:45,050 many different 1738 01:18:50,379 --> 01:18:48,079 sayings like ghost ships and ghost 1739 01:18:51,939 --> 01:18:50,389 fliers but it was just right they all 1740 01:18:54,399 --> 01:18:51,949 had to do with different time segments 1741 01:18:56,379 --> 01:18:54,409 right you know and that's what's strange 1742 01:18:57,819 --> 01:18:56,389 about is that they're not quite UFOs you 1743 01:18:58,540 --> 01:18:57,829 know they're they're a different kind of 1744 01:19:01,419 --> 01:18:58,550 UFO 1745 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:01,429 they almost you know they all three of 1746 01:19:06,879 --> 01:19:04,010 those you know instances those aircraft 1747 01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:06,889 or whatever you want to call them you 1748 01:19:10,330 --> 01:19:08,210 know once again they seem like they were 1749 01:19:12,450 --> 01:19:10,340 made here on earth you know they they 1750 01:19:15,729 --> 01:19:12,460 seem to have you know that earthly 1751 01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:15,739 quality to the wings and propellers and 1752 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:18,290 things along those lines right so they 1753 01:19:23,379 --> 01:19:20,570 don't really look like things from let's 1754 01:19:25,899 --> 01:19:23,389 say out of space extraterrestrial but 1755 01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:25,909 still I mean when you really think of it 1756 01:19:29,229 --> 01:19:27,260 you know how strange is it's almost 1757 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:29,239 stranger than something coming from 1758 01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:31,610 another planet or whatever coming here 1759 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:33,650 it's it's as if they were from here yet 1760 01:19:37,870 --> 01:19:36,170 they weren't from here and you know I 1761 01:19:42,850 --> 01:19:37,880 don't know how you can quite explain it 1762 01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:42,860 right right on your show since you do 1763 01:19:49,359 --> 01:19:46,130 talk about UFOs once or so a week have 1764 01:19:51,310 --> 01:19:49,369 you since this Pentagon story come out 1765 01:19:52,450 --> 01:19:51,320 have you been talking about that as well 1766 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:52,460 uh-huh 1767 01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:55,010 yeah we did we did a special show on it 1768 01:20:03,339 --> 01:19:58,010 because one of the co-hosts of the show 1769 01:20:06,669 --> 01:20:03,349 is a guy who's his name is a commander 1770 01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:06,679 Cobra he's a Cobra you've met him you've 1771 01:20:11,799 --> 01:20:09,440 talked to him I know you know and he 1772 01:20:14,770 --> 01:20:11,809 knows everything about the military when 1773 01:20:16,660 --> 01:20:14,780 it comes to flying he you know flew for 1774 01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:16,670 the Air Force he flew for the Coast 1775 01:20:21,970 --> 01:20:19,730 Guard he's now a contract of he flies 1776 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:21,980 you know let's say special missions for 1777 01:20:28,060 --> 01:20:25,730 the military so you know we covered that 1778 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:28,070 that night yeah that was really strange 1779 01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:30,530 there was a very strange thing for the 1780 01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:32,710 Pentagon of whoever released that in the 1781 01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:35,360 Uniting come out with that story when 1782 01:20:41,049 --> 01:20:38,329 they came out with it you know that that 1783 01:20:42,549 --> 01:20:41,059 might be you know the beginning of a of 1784 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:42,559 a title something that might be a tidal 1785 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:46,130 wave it knows hey we have a caller on 1786 01:20:51,310 --> 01:20:48,050 the line so caller your first name and 1787 01:20:52,810 --> 01:20:51,320 where are you calling from this is 1788 01:20:55,629 --> 01:20:52,820 Andrew calling from Stratford 1789 01:20:58,419 --> 01:20:55,639 Connecticut hi Andrew welcome to the 1790 01:21:01,780 --> 01:20:58,429 show you have a question for our guest 1791 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:01,790 thank you yeah I I know Mac has written 1792 01:21:06,970 --> 01:21:03,770 so many books and he's familiar with so 1793 01:21:10,209 --> 01:21:06,980 many different strange events I'm always 1794 01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:10,219 curious to hear what someone with his 1795 01:21:16,540 --> 01:21:13,370 experiences take would be on how he 1796 01:21:19,090 --> 01:21:16,550 thinks everything links together sort of 1797 01:21:22,209 --> 01:21:19,100 along the lines of Paul you know John 1798 01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:22,219 D'Souza you know is there a connection 1799 01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:24,409 with all of the paranormal and I'll take 1800 01:21:27,490 --> 01:21:27,050 your answer off the air thank you you're 1801 01:21:31,959 --> 01:21:27,500 drunk 1802 01:21:34,570 --> 01:21:31,969 thanks buddy thank you good joke Thanks 1803 01:21:36,729 --> 01:21:34,580 we talk about that a lot on the show 1804 01:21:38,169 --> 01:21:36,739 Pauline I was a friend of the show and 1805 01:21:39,370 --> 01:21:38,179 he's been on a bunch of times and I've 1806 01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:39,380 been on his show too 1807 01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:43,280 and you know we called the unified field 1808 01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,250 theory of the paranormal because there 1809 01:21:51,250 --> 01:21:48,800 are a lot of good instances where it 1810 01:21:54,130 --> 01:21:51,260 just seems like these things are all 1811 01:21:55,689 --> 01:21:54,140 kind of connected in some way you know 1812 01:21:57,729 --> 01:21:55,699 we might not be able to figure it out 1813 01:21:59,919 --> 01:21:57,739 but we can't definitely draw it kind of 1814 01:22:01,450 --> 01:21:59,929 dotted lines to them and and one night 1815 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:01,460 we had a yet even though we're radio 1816 01:22:06,490 --> 01:22:04,610 show we had a photo on and someone had 1817 01:22:10,180 --> 01:22:06,500 snapped in California about two years 1818 01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:10,190 ago they went to take photos of a 1819 01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:11,449 haunted house out there 1820 01:22:17,290 --> 01:22:15,199 and wound up capturing you know let's 1821 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:17,300 say a ghostly figure at the window and 1822 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:21,290 then in a UFO over it you know I mean 1823 01:22:27,550 --> 01:22:25,250 what are the chances right to fake yeah 1824 01:22:29,919 --> 01:22:27,560 yeah yeah yeah and and then there's a 1825 01:22:32,350 --> 01:22:29,929 lot of instances of you know what people 1826 01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,360 call hot spots around the world st. 1827 01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:34,400 Louis you alley is one of them up in 1828 01:22:42,250 --> 01:22:38,719 Colorado where people see not just UFOs 1829 01:22:45,090 --> 01:22:42,260 but they they see Bigfoot they see 1830 01:22:48,669 --> 01:22:45,100 flying humanoids airplanes 1831 01:22:50,410 --> 01:22:48,679 vanish you know in in midair they have 1832 01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:50,420 cattle mutilations they have us 1833 01:22:55,930 --> 01:22:54,290 mutilations they have weird creatures 1834 01:22:58,030 --> 01:22:55,940 they have lights that show up in 1835 01:23:01,120 --> 01:22:58,040 graveyards all this stuff all this 1836 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:01,130 contained in this you know it's a good 1837 01:23:06,189 --> 01:23:03,010 sized area of a relatively small area 1838 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:06,199 it's near a fault line that increases 1839 01:23:12,370 --> 01:23:08,570 the blood pod or the backbone of the 1840 01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:12,380 Rockies and it's also surrounded by five 1841 01:23:19,229 --> 01:23:16,300 secret and semi secret if more spaces so 1842 01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:19,239 you know when you have all these kind of 1843 01:23:22,959 --> 01:23:21,170 ingredients together you put them all 1844 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:22,969 together you make you think why don't 1845 01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:24,890 why is all this strange stuff happening 1846 01:23:31,870 --> 01:23:27,170 here you know why why at that particular 1847 01:23:35,410 --> 01:23:31,880 point Roslyn in they called the failed 1848 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:35,420 Kirk triangle in Scotland where more 1849 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:37,730 people see one people you report UFOs 1850 01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:39,650 there than any other place in the world 1851 01:23:45,010 --> 01:23:41,449 if you can believe it Scotland has the 1852 01:23:46,630 --> 01:23:45,020 highest rate of UFO reporting and the 1853 01:23:49,930 --> 01:23:46,640 very strange thing is that they all seem 1854 01:23:52,419 --> 01:23:49,940 to fall within this triangle and at one 1855 01:23:54,820 --> 01:23:52,429 point of the triangle is where the 1856 01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:54,830 Rosslyn Chapel is where which is famous 1857 01:24:00,880 --> 01:23:57,410 for the Knights Templar and no The Da 1858 01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:00,890 Vinci Code and all that jazz you know 1859 01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:03,679 why they're you know why they're of all 1860 01:24:08,430 --> 01:24:06,650 places there's other places around the 1861 01:24:12,729 --> 01:24:08,440 world there's a place in Russian code 1862 01:24:15,490 --> 01:24:12,739 Poston yah is that enforced I know 1863 01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:15,500 that's that's the EM triangle right the 1864 01:24:20,169 --> 01:24:17,690 EM triangle is very strange into soap 1865 01:24:21,970 --> 01:24:20,179 but boosting yeah basically is the 1866 01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:21,980 Russian version of area 51 in Cape 1867 01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:24,650 Canaveral you all rolled into one base 1868 01:24:29,650 --> 01:24:28,370 yeah and they have yeah they do space 1869 01:24:31,919 --> 01:24:29,660 launches there but they also have 1870 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:31,929 nuclear weapons there so over the years 1871 01:24:37,419 --> 01:24:35,330 you know very prominent Russians have 1872 01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:37,429 reported seeing you dog fights between 1873 01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:40,130 Russian jet fighters and what they 1874 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:42,050 called UFOs I think a lot of people 1875 01:24:45,610 --> 01:24:43,610 probably thought they were US spy planes 1876 01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:45,620 but once again it'd be very hard to get 1877 01:24:49,780 --> 01:24:48,110 a spy plane in over this place and have 1878 01:24:54,010 --> 01:24:49,790 them dogfight and then try to get back 1879 01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:54,020 out there was a UFO sighting there in 1880 01:24:58,840 --> 01:24:57,530 the 60s where your folk came down over 1881 01:25:00,610 --> 01:24:58,850 this place right around midnight and 1882 01:25:02,110 --> 01:25:00,620 hovered over their nuclear um the 1883 01:25:04,090 --> 01:25:02,120 buildings where they hid their nuclear 1884 01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:04,100 weapons now the strange thing about this 1885 01:25:07,630 --> 01:25:07,130 is that it and stayed inside for like 30 1886 01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:07,640 minutes 1887 01:25:13,660 --> 01:25:11,120 hundreds of people saw it well the KGB 1888 01:25:16,330 --> 01:25:13,670 went in there and questioned everybody 1889 01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:16,340 about what they saw and one of the 1890 01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:17,840 rockefeller brothers actually spent some 1891 01:25:22,780 --> 01:25:20,210 money to do a report on this and what 1892 01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:22,790 they found out was they talked to 30 1893 01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:25,010 witnesses that KGB type of 30 would 1894 01:25:28,569 --> 01:25:26,960 they all told the same story and when 1895 01:25:29,890 --> 01:25:28,579 you really think about it who's gonna 1896 01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:29,900 wide to the KGB 1897 01:25:33,759 --> 01:25:31,760 you know who's who's you know if this 1898 01:25:35,169 --> 01:25:33,769 was some kind of hoax who would yeah you 1899 01:25:37,689 --> 01:25:35,179 wouldn't perpetuate it in front of those 1900 01:25:39,490 --> 01:25:37,699 guys right so something must happen 1901 01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:39,500 there and and once again it's in an 1902 01:25:43,899 --> 01:25:41,690 everywhere on this like very weird stuff 1903 01:25:47,649 --> 01:25:43,909 seems to happen in these concentrated 1904 01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:47,659 areas and that really to me lends a lot 1905 01:25:51,970 --> 01:25:50,480 of support this whole idea that and I 1906 01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:51,980 think it would be also very cool if this 1907 01:25:56,020 --> 01:25:53,690 is we find out what actually happened 1908 01:25:57,879 --> 01:25:56,030 for it all to be connected to one things 1909 01:25:59,979 --> 01:25:57,889 and Bigfoot is connected to goes of 1910 01:26:01,689 --> 01:25:59,989 connected to ufos it's connected to the 1911 01:26:03,879 --> 01:26:01,699 Loch Ness monster all this strange stuff 1912 01:26:05,919 --> 01:26:03,889 we see it's not little bits and pieces 1913 01:26:07,299 --> 01:26:05,929 stuff it's all bits and pieces of one 1914 01:26:09,069 --> 01:26:07,309 big thing I think that would be very 1915 01:26:11,140 --> 01:26:09,079 cool if that's what the answer turned 1916 01:26:13,029 --> 01:26:11,150 out to be yeah some people say it's all 1917 01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:13,039 connected to our mind and what we 1918 01:26:18,879 --> 01:26:16,130 fabricate but I find that hard to 1919 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:18,889 believe when there's there's outside 1920 01:26:24,759 --> 01:26:22,610 evidence that cooperates you know as far 1921 01:26:27,700 --> 01:26:24,769 as sightings and trace evidence and 1922 01:26:30,970 --> 01:26:27,710 radar and you know video and film so I 1923 01:26:32,740 --> 01:26:30,980 can't see how when a skeptic will say 1924 01:26:34,959 --> 01:26:32,750 that it's just you know mass 1925 01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:34,969 hallucination or all that I mean it 1926 01:26:41,259 --> 01:26:39,199 doesn't doesn't quite fit well anyway as 1927 01:26:43,870 --> 01:26:41,269 you say before radar hey maybe you could 1928 01:26:45,609 --> 01:26:43,880 make a you know an ikemen for that but 1929 01:26:49,810 --> 01:26:45,619 not sense because you know they have 1930 01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:49,820 they have you know photographs in video 1931 01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:53,690 you know videotapes of radars picking up 1932 01:26:57,580 --> 01:26:56,210 UFOs and and they're there we're not 1933 01:26:59,979 --> 01:26:57,590 hallucinating in them they're there 1934 01:27:04,029 --> 01:26:59,989 that's the electronic evidence yeah yes 1935 01:27:05,740 --> 01:27:04,039 that's right and you know since we were 1936 01:27:07,569 --> 01:27:05,750 just talking a minute ago about you know 1937 01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:07,579 the Pentagon's story comes out and maybe 1938 01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:10,730 there's going to be a lot of you know 1939 01:27:16,029 --> 01:27:13,010 like a windfall of information and 1940 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:16,039 possibly more people get interested I've 1941 01:27:21,399 --> 01:27:19,010 mentioned to a few people out there and 1942 01:27:23,319 --> 01:27:21,409 I'm surprised at how many people didn't 1943 01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:23,329 see that story because there was I think 1944 01:27:29,169 --> 01:27:25,489 a hundred and sixty news stories after 1945 01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:29,179 that came out Brian every major station 1946 01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:31,489 you know covered it but a lot of people 1947 01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:34,639 just plain didn't see it and right so I 1948 01:27:38,770 --> 01:27:37,489 think it takes a while and I'm just 1949 01:27:41,950 --> 01:27:38,780 wondering like if there 1950 01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:41,960 like this major major event you know the 1951 01:27:46,180 --> 01:27:44,960 typical White House lawn landing or 1952 01:27:48,190 --> 01:27:46,190 something that everybody always talks 1953 01:27:51,220 --> 01:27:48,200 about something major like that actually 1954 01:27:52,750 --> 01:27:51,230 happened would there still you know 1955 01:27:54,460 --> 01:27:52,760 would still nothing move forward and 1956 01:27:58,450 --> 01:27:54,470 people actually taking it serious you 1957 01:28:01,120 --> 01:27:58,460 know well in my opinion you know the the 1958 01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,130 media is is to blame for that 1959 01:28:05,050 --> 01:28:03,440 because the day that I found out someone 1960 01:28:06,430 --> 01:28:05,060 had sent me early in the lawn they sent 1961 01:28:09,430 --> 01:28:06,440 me a link to the New York Times story 1962 01:28:10,660 --> 01:28:09,440 and I read it and so then I said okay 1963 01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:10,670 well let's see what the you know 1964 01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:13,760 national news networks doing about you 1965 01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:15,970 know how they're gonna handle it and 1966 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:19,040 when I just happened to turn on ABC 1967 01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,050 Morning News they're all really really 1968 01:28:25,660 --> 01:28:23,360 bad in my opinion but that's the worst 1969 01:28:28,510 --> 01:28:25,670 one and they showed this video and the 1970 01:28:31,390 --> 01:28:28,520 video is fascinating and mostly in the 1971 01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:31,400 fact that you have an f-18 pilot you 1972 01:28:35,290 --> 01:28:34,130 know narrating it okay he's not some guy 1973 01:28:37,300 --> 01:28:35,300 in the ground with you know some 1974 01:28:40,510 --> 01:28:37,310 binoculars looking at no seagulls or 1975 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:40,520 something he is seeing this thing fly 1976 01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:42,970 next to him and in doing obviously 1977 01:28:48,190 --> 01:28:46,250 incredible aerodynamic stuff that you 1978 01:28:50,170 --> 01:28:48,200 know it's just way beyond what you know 1979 01:28:52,510 --> 01:28:50,180 we could ever think of doing and when 1980 01:28:54,610 --> 01:28:52,520 they came back from the video the news 1981 01:28:56,380 --> 01:28:54,620 woman behind that you know the death 1982 01:28:58,480 --> 01:28:56,390 says oh I think I just saw the 1983 01:29:00,130 --> 01:28:58,490 Millennium Falcon you know ha ha then 1984 01:29:02,410 --> 01:29:00,140 everyone laughs you know how that goes 1985 01:29:04,330 --> 01:29:02,420 yeah you can have a cameraman well 1986 01:29:06,910 --> 01:29:04,340 everything it's a funniest joke in the 1987 01:29:09,010 --> 01:29:06,920 world well you know ABC is owned by Walt 1988 01:29:10,690 --> 01:29:09,020 Disney style was had just come out that 1989 01:29:12,610 --> 01:29:10,700 week and of course you know she's gonna 1990 01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:12,620 make some reference to stuff was and I 1991 01:29:18,340 --> 01:29:14,890 think that takes away from the the 1992 01:29:22,350 --> 01:29:18,350 seriousness of this we just hear of a 1993 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:22,360 military pilot in a video you know 1994 01:29:28,330 --> 01:29:24,890 seeing something witnessing something 1995 01:29:29,950 --> 01:29:28,340 that is probably not of this earth if if 1996 01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:29,960 that is true that that's the biggest 1997 01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:33,530 news story ever ever and here she's 1998 01:29:37,900 --> 01:29:35,330 making fun of it you know tying him into 1999 01:29:39,370 --> 01:29:37,910 a Star Wars movie so I blame the media 2000 01:29:42,730 --> 01:29:39,380 for that I don't know why they don't 2001 01:29:44,380 --> 01:29:42,740 jump on every UFO story every paranormal 2002 01:29:46,660 --> 01:29:44,390 story they can because I think a lot 2003 01:29:49,540 --> 01:29:46,670 more people watch the news I would and 2004 01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:49,550 and and the fact is you're missing huge 2005 01:29:52,540 --> 01:29:51,290 story what are these things you know 2006 01:29:55,390 --> 01:29:52,550 doesn't it doesn't 2007 01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:55,400 have any interest you at all and and I 2008 01:29:58,510 --> 01:29:56,960 guess if you're a network executive you 2009 01:30:00,580 --> 01:29:58,520 just figure the ridicule factor is still 2010 01:30:02,410 --> 01:30:00,590 in play and they don't want to do 2011 01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:02,420 anything very serious about it 2012 01:30:06,970 --> 01:30:04,010 yeah I know they'll play the x-files 2013 01:30:08,919 --> 01:30:06,980 music and yep all the second now I know 2014 01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:08,929 you went cold turkey on news for about a 2015 01:30:11,950 --> 01:30:10,610 year didn't you aren't you the person 2016 01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:11,960 who told me you weren't watching news 2017 01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:14,570 for a year or something yes yes since 2018 01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:17,210 the election I stopped watching yeah the 2019 01:30:20,979 --> 01:30:19,489 news yeah but then you got on we're not 2020 01:30:24,819 --> 01:30:20,989 going to talk politics here then you get 2021 01:30:27,580 --> 01:30:24,829 on in you started but you watch the 2022 01:30:28,089 --> 01:30:27,590 pentagon story which i think is that's 2023 01:30:31,689 --> 01:30:28,099 great 2024 01:30:33,580 --> 01:30:31,699 all right yes but I would I do want to 2025 01:30:36,930 --> 01:30:33,590 say to the credit of a lot of news 2026 01:30:41,500 --> 01:30:36,940 stations they did take it serious and 2027 01:30:42,970 --> 01:30:41,510 even even Fox News there was a I can't 2028 01:30:44,890 --> 01:30:42,980 remember the guys name but he did a 2029 01:30:48,939 --> 01:30:44,900 great job and took it serious all the 2030 01:30:51,879 --> 01:30:48,949 way through a big segment and you know 2031 01:30:54,310 --> 01:30:51,889 it's also strange to is not to interrupt 2032 01:30:57,399 --> 01:30:54,320 you there but but when you look at the 2033 01:30:59,919 --> 01:30:57,409 past 15 years what the number one movies 2034 01:31:01,930 --> 01:30:59,929 have been okay of one of them well I'll 2035 01:31:04,270 --> 01:31:01,940 go beyond 15 years a lot of them have to 2036 01:31:06,580 --> 01:31:04,280 do with like we look at et you know 2037 01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:06,590 Close Encounters of third time at Third 2038 01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:10,159 Kind Independence Day the egg you know 2039 01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:11,690 War of the Worlds I mean these are all 2040 01:31:17,620 --> 01:31:14,449 huge huge movie hits that people go and 2041 01:31:19,780 --> 01:31:17,630 see and yet when something close to you 2042 01:31:23,020 --> 01:31:19,790 know because that happening in reality 2043 01:31:25,419 --> 01:31:23,030 happens you know the media just you know 2044 01:31:27,370 --> 01:31:25,429 makes fun of it it's just baffling to me 2045 01:31:30,189 --> 01:31:27,380 it's beyond any kind of conspiracy or 2046 01:31:31,839 --> 01:31:30,199 anything it's just that it's not I don't 2047 01:31:33,490 --> 01:31:31,849 know it's not cool to treat it seriously 2048 01:31:35,260 --> 01:31:33,500 offer some reason they feel that you 2049 01:31:37,270 --> 01:31:35,270 have to make a joke about it and once 2050 01:31:39,250 --> 01:31:37,280 again you know then the really cool fact 2051 01:31:41,049 --> 01:31:39,260 that comes into play that's right so we 2052 01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:41,059 have another caller on the line caller 2053 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:42,860 thanks for calling in your first name 2054 01:31:49,390 --> 01:31:46,010 and where are you calling from Mike from 2055 01:31:53,549 --> 01:31:49,400 Indiana hi Mike welcome to the show do 2056 01:31:55,899 --> 01:31:53,559 you have a question for our guest sure 2057 01:32:01,060 --> 01:31:55,909 first of all I just like to say that I I 2058 01:32:05,410 --> 01:32:01,070 liked his books and my question is I've 2059 01:32:05,819 --> 01:32:05,420 been researching UFO crashes and I've 2060 01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:05,829 got 2061 01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:10,449 it's about a hundred UFO crashes where 2062 01:32:16,589 --> 01:32:13,840 they got bodies and one of the things I 2063 01:32:18,689 --> 01:32:16,599 wrote down was the number of live aliens 2064 01:32:19,950 --> 01:32:18,699 and it came up to about but it's more 2065 01:32:24,060 --> 01:32:19,960 than this number but I'm gonna use the 2066 01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:24,070 number 30 so my question is it's a Mac 2067 01:32:33,419 --> 01:32:29,679 you got I've got data for 100 UFO 2068 01:32:38,339 --> 01:32:33,429 crashes in the United States and lots of 2069 01:32:39,750 --> 01:32:38,349 live aliens and when you look at what 2070 01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:39,760 whistleblowers are saying they're saying 2071 01:32:44,250 --> 01:32:41,920 like you know we got 9 UFOs and we got 2072 01:32:47,069 --> 01:32:44,260 one alien and it's just to me it's not 2073 01:32:48,750 --> 01:32:47,079 adding up so I just I'll take the answer 2074 01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:48,760 off the air but I just like Matt Matt's 2075 01:32:55,290 --> 01:32:54,130 opinion on that well ok button you 2076 01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:55,300 probably know how I'm gonna answer this 2077 01:33:01,859 --> 01:32:57,250 I don't want to be the big bucket of 2078 01:33:04,319 --> 01:33:01,869 cold water here but I just have to say 2079 01:33:07,109 --> 01:33:04,329 that I do not believe that the US 2080 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:07,119 government has any crashed UFOs or any 2081 01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:09,610 alien bodies I do not believe that the 2082 01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:12,000 US military knows any more about UFOs 2083 01:33:17,729 --> 01:33:15,489 than we do now they they have more 2084 01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:17,739 evidence of them they have more evidence 2085 01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:21,250 of their existence we know that but as 2086 01:33:27,180 --> 01:33:24,400 far as you know having crashed UFOs 2087 01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:27,190 having alien bodies I just don't buy it 2088 01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:32,290 because first of all I think once again 2089 01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:35,170 it always comes down to when people say 2090 01:33:39,149 --> 01:33:37,090 that they say well why do they do that 2091 01:33:40,859 --> 01:33:39,159 why would they keep this secret you know 2092 01:33:42,810 --> 01:33:40,869 and people always say well you know 2093 01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:42,820 because there'd be panic in the streets 2094 01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:45,369 and you know so on I mean but really 2095 01:33:49,260 --> 01:33:47,199 would there be we go back to what we 2096 01:33:52,169 --> 01:33:49,270 were just talking about how all the big 2097 01:33:54,870 --> 01:33:52,179 blockbuster movies about you know people 2098 01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:54,880 from places other than earth coming here 2099 01:33:59,370 --> 01:33:57,489 I think a lot of people would would 2100 01:34:03,750 --> 01:33:59,380 really dig it I think that a lot of 2101 01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:03,760 people out waiting for it so why would 2102 01:34:07,950 --> 01:34:06,159 you keep it secret and you would be 2103 01:34:09,870 --> 01:34:07,960 responsible for keeping see once it can 2104 01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:09,880 you be responsible for keeping the 2105 01:34:15,330 --> 01:34:12,449 biggest secret ever and all of humankind 2106 01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:15,340 you're the person who decides you know 2107 01:34:17,330 --> 01:34:16,449 that you're gonna keep it a secret 2108 01:34:20,609 --> 01:34:17,340 number two 2109 01:34:22,319 --> 01:34:20,619 you know if they had crashed UFOs and 2110 01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:22,329 people say well they reengineer stuff 2111 01:34:26,069 --> 01:34:23,679 you know from the crashed UFOs well 2112 01:34:28,530 --> 01:34:26,079 where is it you know where is the other 2113 01:34:29,729 --> 01:34:28,540 fabulous reengineering from flying 2114 01:34:31,770 --> 01:34:29,739 saucers that was supposed to be 2115 01:34:33,620 --> 01:34:31,780 happening when we were spending billions 2116 01:34:35,970 --> 01:34:33,630 of dollars just you know a decade ago 2117 01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:35,980 putting the Space Shuttle into orbit 2118 01:34:40,290 --> 01:34:38,170 that's like launching a dump truck you 2119 01:34:42,750 --> 01:34:40,300 know and all the time and effort and the 2120 01:34:45,060 --> 01:34:42,760 fuel and the logistics just to get that 2121 01:34:47,370 --> 01:34:45,070 thing up into oven and somewhere out in 2122 01:34:50,129 --> 01:34:47,380 Nevada we have you know anti-gravity 2123 01:34:52,020 --> 01:34:50,139 machines it just doesn't make sense to 2124 01:34:54,270 --> 01:34:52,030 me and the third thing is I think 2125 01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:54,280 someone very credible would come out and 2126 01:34:59,910 --> 01:34:57,040 and say I've seen this you know these 2127 01:35:01,439 --> 01:34:59,920 days you cannot keep a secret I think 2128 01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:01,449 people would come out and they would say 2129 01:35:07,020 --> 01:35:04,210 you know is drop dead evidence of that 2130 01:35:08,669 --> 01:35:07,030 we have alien bodies and I just don't 2131 01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:08,679 buy it you know I hate to be like that I 2132 01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:11,130 don't think anything happened in Roswell 2133 01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:13,630 other than what you know was reported 2134 01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:14,980 the first few days and there was some 2135 01:35:19,919 --> 01:35:17,050 kind of a a weather balloon that you 2136 01:35:22,350 --> 01:35:19,929 know crashed I'm not popular with the 2137 01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:22,360 Stan's but I got to tell you I can't 2138 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:23,770 believe any other way unless I see some 2139 01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:27,610 kind of governor yeah hang on caller so 2140 01:35:32,850 --> 01:35:30,190 Mac you and I totally disagree in the 2141 01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:32,860 Roswell thing because I okay we've had 2142 01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:35,610 that talk before right you know I think 2143 01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:38,770 and I'm just gonna just call her just 2144 01:35:44,879 --> 01:35:41,110 hang in there for a minute so just sort 2145 01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:44,889 before the one question I have for you 2146 01:35:50,459 --> 01:35:46,449 on that and then we'll move on and that 2147 01:35:52,589 --> 01:35:50,469 is why would the Army Air Force ever 2148 01:35:56,609 --> 01:35:52,599 even say anything at all 2149 01:35:59,370 --> 01:35:56,619 to begin with well because I think what 2150 01:36:01,140 --> 01:35:59,380 happened was you know Kenneth Donald had 2151 01:36:03,899 --> 01:36:01,150 had his sighting only like a couple 2152 01:36:05,129 --> 01:36:03,909 weeks before that if that and all of a 2153 01:36:07,979 --> 01:36:05,139 sudden people were seeing UFOs 2154 01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:07,989 everywhere across the country yeah you 2155 01:36:11,879 --> 01:36:09,760 know and and I mean in most two weeks it 2156 01:36:13,589 --> 01:36:11,889 was just incredible and people were 2157 01:36:15,180 --> 01:36:13,599 wondering what were they what are they 2158 01:36:16,890 --> 01:36:15,190 you know and I know a lot of people 2159 01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:16,900 thought they were you know Russian 2160 01:36:22,859 --> 01:36:18,639 secret weapons or rich Chinese secret 2161 01:36:25,050 --> 01:36:22,869 weapons or whatever and I think that and 2162 01:36:28,020 --> 01:36:25,060 back then you know at the the whole 2163 01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:28,030 information data systems of the US 2164 01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:30,490 military weren't as concentrated 2165 01:36:36,930 --> 01:36:33,010 as they are these days and I just think 2166 01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:36,940 that the person at that airbase you know 2167 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:38,560 went off the reservation a little bit 2168 01:36:42,660 --> 01:36:41,170 and wanted to say okay you people for 2169 01:36:46,140 --> 01:36:42,670 the past two weeks have seen flying this 2170 01:36:48,210 --> 01:36:46,150 we've captured a flying disc and then 2171 01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:48,220 you know when they found out really what 2172 01:36:52,020 --> 01:36:50,290 this was which is you know it was a 2173 01:36:53,250 --> 01:36:52,030 secret project but it was something that 2174 01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:53,260 didn't have anything do it your phone's 2175 01:36:57,630 --> 01:36:55,690 you know they had to shut it down they 2176 01:36:59,970 --> 01:36:57,640 had to you know come up with some kind 2177 01:37:03,810 --> 01:36:59,980 of cover story to cover up the secret 2178 01:37:05,730 --> 01:37:03,820 project that was going on that's why I 2179 01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:05,740 think if you follow that and there's 2180 01:37:11,370 --> 01:37:07,810 this photographs of the debris that was 2181 01:37:14,190 --> 01:37:11,380 found that you can match up square foot 2182 01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:14,200 by Swift foot with one of these these 2183 01:37:18,060 --> 01:37:15,610 balloons that they were sending over 2184 01:37:19,710 --> 01:37:18,070 Russia with microphones on in them to 2185 01:37:23,070 --> 01:37:19,720 see if the Russians were detonating 2186 01:37:25,140 --> 01:37:23,080 nuclear weapons so I said oh right yeah 2187 01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:25,150 but anyway we're we're never going to 2188 01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:26,080 agree on that one 2189 01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:29,290 so right that's okay okay so we have a 2190 01:37:33,930 --> 01:37:31,030 caller on the line caller your first 2191 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:33,940 name and where you're calling from are 2192 01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:35,650 you doing a good lab room calling in 2193 01:37:38,250 --> 01:37:37,810 from Florida hi there welcome to the 2194 01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:38,260 show 2195 01:37:44,430 --> 01:37:39,970 do you have a question for our gas thank 2196 01:37:47,970 --> 01:37:44,440 you yes well I sort of said my question 2197 01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:47,980 um I agree that I believe that there 2198 01:37:53,550 --> 01:37:50,050 there are so many things like washable 2199 01:37:57,290 --> 01:37:53,560 case were so many opinions about it and 2200 01:38:00,840 --> 01:37:57,300 there's no blue change them the alien 2201 01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:00,850 but I believe that you don't really need 2202 01:38:21,450 --> 01:38:13,050 wouldn't that gun footage right there in 2203 01:38:21,460 --> 01:38:30,710 [Music] 2204 01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:35,610 yeah yeah go ahead Mary yeah I I agree 2205 01:38:39,900 --> 01:38:38,110 with them I think it's it's it could be 2206 01:38:43,770 --> 01:38:39,910 very well be the first step of the 2207 01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:43,780 disclosure it was very unusual when the 2208 01:38:49,290 --> 01:38:46,450 the news was released and also you think 2209 01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:49,300 well you know why would you know what's 2210 01:38:52,740 --> 01:38:51,070 what's the thinking behind the Pentagon 2211 01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:52,750 because obviously it was leaked to the 2212 01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,560 New York Times somehow someway what's 2213 01:39:01,440 --> 01:38:58,480 what's the motive of the Pentagon to 2214 01:39:03,660 --> 01:39:01,450 have this all of a sudden this tape show 2215 01:39:06,740 --> 01:39:03,670 up and also the pilot the one particular 2216 01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:06,750 pilot you know who was now retired 2217 01:39:12,450 --> 01:39:10,090 Minoo interviewed a lot and and he 2218 01:39:14,130 --> 01:39:12,460 seemed to be just the perfect guy to 2219 01:39:15,390 --> 01:39:14,140 interview he didn't seem like a jet 2220 01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:15,400 fighter pilot to me he just seemed like 2221 01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:16,450 a normal guy 2222 01:39:22,650 --> 01:39:19,630 yeah rational guy and and in his money 2223 01:39:24,420 --> 01:39:22,660 and his his story he would always say he 2224 01:39:26,430 --> 01:39:24,430 looked at it from a real pilots money go 2225 01:39:28,170 --> 01:39:26,440 he's yeah he said I wish I could fly 2226 01:39:30,380 --> 01:39:28,180 something like that you know you you 2227 01:39:33,150 --> 01:39:30,390 don't make that up in a spin room right 2228 01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:33,160 you know so that's what I think is you 2229 01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:35,530 know maybe this is just the first the 2230 01:39:40,860 --> 01:39:38,530 first you know few drips of disclosure 2231 01:39:43,740 --> 01:39:40,870 but I think it to comment I think it was 2232 01:39:46,440 --> 01:39:43,750 like a little piece of disclosure okay 2233 01:39:48,810 --> 01:39:46,450 thank you caller yeah sure thank you 2234 01:39:51,150 --> 01:39:48,820 very much all right now we have another 2235 01:39:54,380 --> 01:39:51,160 caller on the line thanks for calling 2236 01:39:56,580 --> 01:39:54,390 your first name where you calling from 2237 01:40:00,930 --> 01:39:56,590 our Bobby can you speak up a little bit 2238 01:40:06,750 --> 01:40:00,940 please hi welcome to show Bobby I know 2239 01:40:09,330 --> 01:40:06,760 Bobby UFO Congress it would have been 2240 01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:09,340 nice but I busy just busy busy busy at 2241 01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:10,480 work 2242 01:40:15,450 --> 01:40:13,210 as for Maloney being a bucket of cold 2243 01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:15,460 water he doesn't have anything I'm Mark 2244 01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:20,490 Dantonio so you yeah okay 2245 01:40:25,860 --> 01:40:23,710 you have a question yeah well actually 2246 01:40:28,230 --> 01:40:25,870 no I was just gonna just talking about 2247 01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:28,240 the the new video out of the Pentagon 2248 01:40:33,480 --> 01:40:30,610 and stuff like that as for Roswell I 2249 01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:33,490 agree with you one of the most important 2250 01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:34,930 things about Roswell a lot of people 2251 01:40:38,220 --> 01:40:37,030 don't realize is nobody ever mentioned 2252 01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:38,230 rope they always said it was some kind 2253 01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:40,000 of balloon project but nobody ever 2254 01:40:46,530 --> 01:40:42,370 mentioned rope in the original Roswell 2255 01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:46,540 information rope was never mentioned the 2256 01:40:53,070 --> 01:40:50,560 other thing is with with the video Mark 2257 01:40:54,540 --> 01:40:53,080 Dantonio was like quick to try to debunk 2258 01:40:57,300 --> 01:40:54,550 it a little bit and talking about how 2259 01:40:58,830 --> 01:40:57,310 the camera rotated and stuff and I 2260 01:41:00,150 --> 01:40:58,840 just like wow this is like supposed to 2261 01:41:02,010 --> 01:41:00,160 be coming out of the Pentagon out of a 2262 01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:02,020 secret government project and I'm like 2263 01:41:05,460 --> 01:41:03,520 he's really trying to tear it down it 2264 01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:05,470 was like I was unbelievable to me but 2265 01:41:10,260 --> 01:41:07,210 you know I guess that's how things go 2266 01:41:12,150 --> 01:41:10,270 well he was he was on a show he was on a 2267 01:41:14,730 --> 01:41:12,160 show right after that happened and and 2268 01:41:16,170 --> 01:41:14,740 and and he said some things are we yeah 2269 01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:16,180 we didn't get in and I even on the other 2270 01:41:20,460 --> 01:41:17,770 but you know we would say we were saying 2271 01:41:22,410 --> 01:41:20,470 to him he says well this could be you 2272 01:41:24,510 --> 01:41:22,420 know reflection off of the canopy 2273 01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:24,520 because there's a display there that 2274 01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:26,290 sometimes reflects light and so on and 2275 01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:28,690 so forth and we said yeah but but you're 2276 01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:30,490 you're talking to God I mean if you fly 2277 01:41:36,420 --> 01:41:34,210 an f-18 okay you're a Top Gun okay 2278 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:36,430 that's the that's the Navy's hottest 2279 01:41:41,940 --> 01:41:38,890 fighter you have to do what you have to 2280 01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:41,950 know what you're doing and you certainly 2281 01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:43,810 know if what you're looking at is 2282 01:41:48,660 --> 01:41:45,730 something that's a tumbling out in space 2283 01:41:51,450 --> 01:41:48,670 there looking like a giant tic-tac or a 2284 01:41:54,150 --> 01:41:51,460 reflection off your canopy that's one 2285 01:41:56,430 --> 01:41:54,160 thing we say this on the show yeah 2286 01:41:59,310 --> 01:41:56,440 endlessly is that military pilots 2287 01:42:02,370 --> 01:41:59,320 airline paths but mostly military pilots 2288 01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:02,380 are the best witnesses to UFO events 2289 01:42:06,150 --> 01:42:04,030 because they're up there flying around 2290 01:42:07,860 --> 01:42:06,160 all the time they know they've seen all 2291 01:42:09,930 --> 01:42:07,870 kinds of strange things we have on the 2292 01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:09,940 show all the time they see all kinds of 2293 01:42:15,180 --> 01:42:12,400 strange thing and and they get to know 2294 01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:15,190 you know what these things are and when 2295 01:42:18,900 --> 01:42:16,930 they see something that they cannot 2296 01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:18,910 explain believe me that's something that 2297 01:42:22,650 --> 01:42:21,280 cannot be explained well somebody had a 2298 01:42:25,770 --> 01:42:22,660 good question I actually listened to the 2299 01:42:26,970 --> 01:42:25,780 open minds broadcast of the interview 2300 01:42:31,230 --> 01:42:26,980 with the gentleman I can't think of his 2301 01:42:33,810 --> 01:42:31,240 name right now and they asked him if the 2302 01:42:35,310 --> 01:42:33,820 pilots voices were not oh yeah I think 2303 01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:35,320 with the videos like somebody has made 2304 01:42:39,210 --> 01:42:37,330 that up and he absolutely knocked that 2305 01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:39,220 down and absolutely said no when these 2306 01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:41,440 guys are stressed out they talk like we 2307 01:42:47,220 --> 01:42:44,650 will you know they say dude and all 2308 01:42:49,890 --> 01:42:47,230 kinds of other things and you know 2309 01:42:51,390 --> 01:42:49,900 there's also reference in there where he 2310 01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:51,400 states the other guy look at your other 2311 01:42:54,900 --> 01:42:52,570 radar they actually have different 2312 01:42:56,340 --> 01:42:54,910 radios ago radar where they're actually 2313 01:42:59,310 --> 01:42:56,350 looking at a distance and they have an 2314 01:43:02,070 --> 01:42:59,320 an overview radar where the guy they 2315 01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:02,080 obviously saw multiple objects you know 2316 01:43:05,700 --> 01:43:03,490 really that hasn't been talked about a 2317 01:43:07,020 --> 01:43:05,710 whole lot but something was going on 2318 01:43:09,660 --> 01:43:07,030 that really spooked these guys right 2319 01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:09,670 right in coming out of the water there's 2320 01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:11,050 a good chance that you know the 2321 01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:12,490 when they started shooting that overhead 2322 01:43:16,710 --> 01:43:14,530 video that the thing had just come out 2323 01:43:18,420 --> 01:43:16,720 of the water you know a few seconds 2324 01:43:20,370 --> 01:43:18,430 before and a lot of people you know 2325 01:43:22,590 --> 01:43:20,380 believe that UFOs might you know come 2326 01:43:24,030 --> 01:43:22,600 from the ocean or hide in the ocean or 2327 01:43:24,660 --> 01:43:24,040 whatever the the biggest thing about 2328 01:43:26,340 --> 01:43:24,670 that 2329 01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:26,350 you know after just the surprise of 2330 01:43:32,820 --> 01:43:30,400 seeing the video itself is to me is why 2331 01:43:36,540 --> 01:43:32,830 you know why why would they release it 2332 01:43:38,250 --> 01:43:36,550 now why would you know why now you know 2333 01:43:41,070 --> 01:43:38,260 unless it was really some kind of 2334 01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:41,080 gradual release some kind of gradual you 2335 01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:44,170 know first steps towards disclosure the 2336 01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:45,970 thing that was really interesting to me 2337 01:43:49,770 --> 01:43:47,920 was most important to me was they 2338 01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:49,780 actually they had a cap point where 2339 01:43:52,770 --> 01:43:51,010 they're supposed to meet up these guys 2340 01:43:54,510 --> 01:43:52,780 are flying to a special location and 2341 01:43:57,630 --> 01:43:54,520 then I moved from that location back to 2342 01:43:59,820 --> 01:43:57,640 the ship and these objects disappeared 2343 01:44:01,410 --> 01:43:59,830 from where they were and they get a 2344 01:44:02,940 --> 01:44:01,420 radio call from I guess the Nimitz 2345 01:44:05,790 --> 01:44:02,950 saying hey you won't believe this guys 2346 01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:05,800 but the tic tacs are now answer a cat 2347 01:44:09,060 --> 01:44:07,600 point and that was that was just like 2348 01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:09,070 mine ballgames almost like they could 2349 01:44:13,710 --> 01:44:11,920 read people's minds at a distance how 2350 01:44:15,030 --> 01:44:13,720 would they know yes right how would they 2351 01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:15,040 know to go there and you know that 2352 01:44:18,690 --> 01:44:17,290 technology you know and being able to go 2353 01:44:20,610 --> 01:44:18,700 into the water and out of the water I 2354 01:44:23,730 --> 01:44:20,620 mean we can't do that that's that's 2355 01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:23,740 thousands of years beyond us whatever it 2356 01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:26,890 is I'm not saying it's aliens or another 2357 01:44:30,780 --> 01:44:28,480 dimension but whatever it is it's just 2358 01:44:32,580 --> 01:44:30,790 it's mind-boggling I mean it's not an 2359 01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:32,590 easy answer there's no easy answers I 2360 01:44:36,690 --> 01:44:34,000 agree I agree 2361 01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:36,700 just one quick correction mech and that 2362 01:44:41,460 --> 01:44:38,890 is uh it never actually went into the 2363 01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:41,470 water it was the way it was one of the 2364 01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:43,450 people warded it sound like it said it 2365 01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:45,370 was fifty feet down in the water but 2366 01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:47,650 what he meant to say was fifty feet over 2367 01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:49,330 the water so because I heard that 2368 01:44:53,190 --> 01:44:51,730 correction so they they never saw it 2369 01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:53,200 actually come out of the water as far 2370 01:44:58,050 --> 01:44:56,290 right yeah when that video starts it you 2371 01:45:01,470 --> 01:44:58,060 know you're looking down and it's kind 2372 01:45:05,460 --> 01:45:01,480 of your vantage point kind of fools your 2373 01:45:07,110 --> 01:45:05,470 eyes a little bit but you know then then 2374 01:45:08,370 --> 01:45:07,120 we have to assume that if it didn't come 2375 01:45:11,820 --> 01:45:08,380 out of the water then for some reason 2376 01:45:12,750 --> 01:45:11,830 was flying you know very fast fifty feet 2377 01:45:15,480 --> 01:45:12,760 above the water 2378 01:45:17,190 --> 01:45:15,490 and yeah well it almost seems like well 2379 01:45:18,990 --> 01:45:17,200 you know we just missed a little bit of 2380 01:45:20,490 --> 01:45:19,000 the footage yeah well you know lots of 2381 01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:20,500 you know I don't have to tell you that 2382 01:45:24,779 --> 01:45:23,170 there are lots of lots of reported 2383 01:45:28,619 --> 01:45:24,789 sightings of UFOs coming out of 2384 01:45:29,939 --> 01:45:28,629 especially - well I'm gonna leave you 2385 01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:29,949 guys with that I want you to say hello 2386 01:45:34,649 --> 01:45:32,169 to Wan WAN and Commander Cobra for me I 2387 01:45:36,689 --> 01:45:34,659 mean shows I thank you for more free 2388 01:45:38,429 --> 01:45:36,699 episodes to show up because that's how I 2389 01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:38,439 get them is on the free website so 2390 01:45:44,459 --> 01:45:41,199 alright I made you guys keep me in 2391 01:45:46,169 --> 01:45:44,469 stitches at work my thighs hurt okay 2392 01:45:49,259 --> 01:45:46,179 that might not be our intention but 2393 01:45:50,489 --> 01:45:49,269 thank you alright thanks have a good 2394 01:45:52,559 --> 01:45:50,499 night all right 2395 01:45:54,599 --> 01:45:52,569 all right thanks so Mac real quickly and 2396 01:45:59,399 --> 01:45:54,609 now I told this story when I did there 2397 01:46:01,049 --> 01:45:59,409 the round table out in Phoenix but did 2398 01:46:02,909 --> 01:46:01,059 the same listener may not be listening 2399 01:46:05,459 --> 01:46:02,919 to both shows so I'll just tell real 2400 01:46:11,609 --> 01:46:05,469 quickly on my way out to Phoenix I sat 2401 01:46:13,979 --> 01:46:11,619 next to a American Airlines pilot and we 2402 01:46:15,509 --> 01:46:13,989 were chatting as a nice guy smart guy he 2403 01:46:19,109 --> 01:46:15,519 invented something we were talking about 2404 01:46:20,699 --> 01:46:19,119 that and so then he said he used to fly 2405 01:46:24,089 --> 01:46:20,709 military you know he used to fly the 2406 01:46:25,349 --> 01:46:24,099 f-18s in the airport first of all he 2407 01:46:27,209 --> 01:46:25,359 just said I was in the Air Force he 2408 01:46:30,839 --> 01:46:27,219 never even you know he was very humble 2409 01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:30,849 and so he said he used to fly fa-18 so I 2410 01:46:36,179 --> 01:46:32,729 said hey did you happen to catch the 2411 01:46:39,209 --> 01:46:36,189 Pentagon coming out about you know UFOs 2412 01:46:41,759 --> 01:46:39,219 and that they did a search for him and 2413 01:46:46,469 --> 01:46:41,769 he looks at me and he goes well it's 2414 01:46:49,169 --> 01:46:46,479 about time and then he said I know they 2415 01:46:50,819 --> 01:46:49,179 are real because I saw one and then he 2416 01:46:52,799 --> 01:46:50,829 looked at me and he goes you don't think 2417 01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:52,809 I'm crazy do you that that was his first 2418 01:46:58,169 --> 01:46:55,119 and I said no no tell me about your 2419 01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:58,179 story so he did it was a green or it was 2420 01:47:03,719 --> 01:47:00,639 a large green orb and he said the thing 2421 01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:03,729 about it is it tracked him they tracked 2422 01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:07,689 him to miles and miles and so he called 2423 01:47:12,809 --> 01:47:10,719 in to see if it was on ground radar and 2424 01:47:14,489 --> 01:47:12,819 it was not and then he looked over to I 2425 01:47:16,799 --> 01:47:14,499 don't know if he called his copilot or 2426 01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:16,809 whoever it was sound asleep and he said 2427 01:47:21,899 --> 01:47:18,729 should I wake him for that and he didn't 2428 01:47:23,309 --> 01:47:21,909 wake him but he said you know said well 2429 01:47:26,459 --> 01:47:23,319 that's amazing I asked him me to be on 2430 01:47:28,500 --> 01:47:26,469 the show and he said no no way you know 2431 01:47:31,049 --> 01:47:28,510 I'm a pilot for American Airlines and I 2432 01:47:32,879 --> 01:47:31,059 said did you be on anonymous and he said 2433 01:47:34,829 --> 01:47:32,889 well I'll think about he took my card so 2434 01:47:36,779 --> 01:47:34,839 I know I'll ever hear from you but 2435 01:47:37,570 --> 01:47:36,789 that's just another case of military you 2436 01:47:39,130 --> 01:47:37,580 know UFOs 2437 01:47:40,420 --> 01:47:39,140 a lot of them right people have the 2438 01:47:42,550 --> 01:47:40,430 sightings how many people talk about 2439 01:47:44,590 --> 01:47:42,560 them though right you see in the 2440 01:47:46,330 --> 01:47:44,600 military you don't you know the military 2441 01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:46,340 the pilots talk amongst themselves about 2442 01:47:49,210 --> 01:47:47,510 them but you know you never talk 2443 01:47:50,770 --> 01:47:49,220 publicly about it and you don't you 2444 01:47:53,020 --> 01:47:50,780 don't necessarily bring an official 2445 01:47:54,010 --> 01:47:53,030 report you know to higher-ups above it 2446 01:47:56,410 --> 01:47:54,020 because they don't want to hear it 2447 01:47:59,200 --> 01:47:56,420 though someone did tell me that a UFO 2448 01:48:02,470 --> 01:47:59,210 researcher did tell me that after 9/11 2449 01:48:05,290 --> 01:48:02,480 the reports of our military pilots 2450 01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:05,300 seeing UFOs skyrocketed and not that 2451 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:07,370 that had anything to do it the 9/11 2452 01:48:11,410 --> 01:48:08,810 attack with the fact that we had more 2453 01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:11,420 more Air Force and Navy fighters in the 2454 01:48:14,740 --> 01:48:13,250 air for like the next two years after 2455 01:48:16,810 --> 01:48:14,750 that patrolling our borders and stuff 2456 01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:16,820 there's just like more flight operations 2457 01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:17,360 going on 2458 01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:19,130 so more your phones you know we're 2459 01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:22,730 seeing you know so and it lines the same 2460 01:48:27,940 --> 01:48:24,410 thing you know I am good friends with a 2461 01:48:29,980 --> 01:48:27,950 merican airline pilot and he flies the 2462 01:48:33,250 --> 01:48:29,990 route from Chicago over to Beijing they 2463 01:48:35,940 --> 01:48:33,260 go over the knot Paul and twice a month 2464 01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:35,950 he tells me we see stuff all the time 2465 01:48:40,420 --> 01:48:38,480 you know we see stuff all the time but 2466 01:48:42,940 --> 01:48:40,430 you don't report it to management 2467 01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:42,950 because you know that's very competitive 2468 01:48:46,750 --> 01:48:44,330 business and if you're up for some kind 2469 01:48:48,940 --> 01:48:46,760 of promotion and someone of equal 2470 01:48:51,070 --> 01:48:48,950 experience is up for promotion you've 2471 01:48:53,380 --> 01:48:51,080 reported UFO he hasn't he gets the job 2472 01:48:57,100 --> 01:48:53,390 just the way it is so well what do you 2473 01:48:59,920 --> 01:48:57,110 think because of this recent article do 2474 01:49:02,980 --> 01:48:59,930 you think any of that will change no I 2475 01:49:05,890 --> 01:49:02,990 don't you know I I don't I think as the 2476 01:49:07,390 --> 01:49:05,900 third carla back said you know if if I 2477 01:49:09,730 --> 01:49:07,400 think a lot of people are waiting for 2478 01:49:11,140 --> 01:49:09,740 you know a mother ship to land on the 2479 01:49:12,490 --> 01:49:11,150 White House lawn 2480 01:49:14,350 --> 01:49:12,500 god knows what they would do with that 2481 01:49:19,510 --> 01:49:14,360 these days but you know you need a 2482 01:49:22,540 --> 01:49:19,520 spectacular kind of event like that to 2483 01:49:24,850 --> 01:49:22,550 change everyone's mind I think yeah but 2484 01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:24,860 just think about this the the government 2485 01:49:31,090 --> 01:49:27,530 is actually saying that Pentagon had and 2486 01:49:33,370 --> 01:49:31,100 actually has a project to research these 2487 01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:33,380 things right doesn't that seem like that 2488 01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:35,840 would be enough to make it okay to talk 2489 01:49:39,820 --> 01:49:37,520 about it to the FAA like if you're 2490 01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,830 flying like hey you know the government 2491 01:49:44,170 --> 01:49:41,360 says they're searching well I saw one 2492 01:49:45,460 --> 01:49:44,180 too I mean and that it's still you still 2493 01:49:47,890 --> 01:49:45,470 think it would knock them down a notch 2494 01:49:49,870 --> 01:49:47,900 or two well though it seemed that way 2495 01:49:50,559 --> 01:49:49,880 plus you know it's only in this country 2496 01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:50,569 I mean 2497 01:49:54,789 --> 01:49:52,249 for instance the British defense 2498 01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:54,799 ministry you know they they released all 2499 01:49:58,959 --> 01:49:56,719 of their UFO FILES there are a few years 2500 01:50:01,629 --> 01:49:58,969 ago the the French look into it openly 2501 01:50:04,389 --> 01:50:01,639 the Brazilians very open the military 2502 01:50:05,619 --> 01:50:04,399 very open about looking into UFO reports 2503 01:50:09,429 --> 01:50:05,629 and things like that it's really only 2504 01:50:11,319 --> 01:50:09,439 here in the United States and which you 2505 01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:11,329 know tells me once again as I said I 2506 01:50:15,729 --> 01:50:13,280 don't think they know any more of it 2507 01:50:17,529 --> 01:50:15,739 about it they don't know anymore where 2508 01:50:19,239 --> 01:50:17,539 they come from than we do but they 2509 01:50:21,309 --> 01:50:19,249 certainly have more evidence and I think 2510 01:50:23,619 --> 01:50:21,319 the u.s. probably has more evidence and 2511 01:50:25,809 --> 01:50:23,629 all these other countries combined in 2512 01:50:28,509 --> 01:50:25,819 for whatever reason they have chosen to 2513 01:50:31,509 --> 01:50:28,519 keep that evidence secret yeah that's 2514 01:50:34,059 --> 01:50:31,519 right and I know you know Chile is 2515 01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:34,069 another country that that's that's 2516 01:50:38,679 --> 01:50:36,530 actually the foremost and unfortunately 2517 01:50:41,319 --> 01:50:38,689 had a blooper when they thought they had 2518 01:50:42,339 --> 01:50:41,329 a good UFO they released a few years ago 2519 01:50:45,429 --> 01:50:42,349 I don't know if you even heard about 2520 01:50:48,219 --> 01:50:45,439 that but they have every single aspect 2521 01:50:49,209 --> 01:50:48,229 of their country involved and trying to 2522 01:50:50,799 --> 01:50:49,219 figure out what these things are 2523 01:50:53,469 --> 01:50:50,809 including the military police 2524 01:50:55,779 --> 01:50:53,479 scientists everyone is involved and no 2525 01:50:57,399 --> 01:50:55,789 verdict and and the Russians - I mean 2526 01:51:00,909 --> 01:50:57,409 you know back in the eighties the 2527 01:51:02,889 --> 01:51:00,919 Russians Russian military sent out like 2528 01:51:04,899 --> 01:51:02,899 question is to every person in the 2529 01:51:07,929 --> 01:51:04,909 Russian military Navy Air Force Army 2530 01:51:10,119 --> 01:51:07,939 whatever and said if you see a UFO you 2531 01:51:12,099 --> 01:51:10,129 know you are under orders to to write 2532 01:51:13,899 --> 01:51:12,109 out this report and send it to us so in 2533 01:51:15,939 --> 01:51:13,909 other words suddenly they had like about 2534 01:51:18,669 --> 01:51:15,949 three million you know eyes out there 2535 01:51:20,379 --> 01:51:18,679 looking for UFO reports and they got 2536 01:51:21,729 --> 01:51:20,389 lots of them they didn't like in this 2537 01:51:23,049 --> 01:51:21,739 country we hear so many stories about 2538 01:51:24,309 --> 01:51:23,059 veterans saying you're gonna lose your 2539 01:51:26,169 --> 01:51:24,319 pension you could talk about what you 2540 01:51:27,819 --> 01:51:26,179 saw and everything we talk about the 2541 01:51:31,989 --> 01:51:27,829 industry for those guys a lot on the 2542 01:51:33,459 --> 01:51:31,999 show as well but in Russia you know it's 2543 01:51:35,709 --> 01:51:33,469 the complete opposite they're 2544 01:51:38,979 --> 01:51:35,719 encouraging their military to report 2545 01:51:41,139 --> 01:51:38,989 seeing UFOs so they can you know kind of 2546 01:51:43,029 --> 01:51:41,149 figure out what they are but here you 2547 01:51:46,899 --> 01:51:43,039 know I mean the u.s. is weird that they 2548 01:51:48,369 --> 01:51:46,909 like keeping secrets and for some reason 2549 01:51:50,619 --> 01:51:48,379 like I say for some reason they they 2550 01:51:53,409 --> 01:51:50,629 they choose to be closed looked about 2551 01:51:55,089 --> 01:51:53,419 this who knows why right one of the 2552 01:51:59,019 --> 01:51:55,099 questions that if I had an opportunity 2553 01:52:03,189 --> 01:51:59,029 to ever talk to anyone that is involved 2554 01:52:04,140 --> 01:52:03,199 in the to the Stars Academy you know Tom 2555 01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:04,150 DeLonge started that 2556 01:52:11,490 --> 01:52:06,400 if I had any chance to chance to talk to 2557 01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:11,500 anyone there I would ask them how do 2558 01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:14,489 they think they're going to reverse 2559 01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:17,440 technology by observing that's one of 2560 01:52:20,100 --> 01:52:18,400 the things they're claiming they're 2561 01:52:22,110 --> 01:52:20,110 going to be doing are you familiar with 2562 01:52:23,820 --> 01:52:22,120 that but they said not yea they 2563 01:52:25,919 --> 01:52:23,830 basically are saying that they want to 2564 01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:25,929 be able to observe these things to try 2565 01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:28,960 to replicate what they're doing and I 2566 01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:32,250 just can't understand how you could 2567 01:52:37,590 --> 01:52:34,960 replicate something because you see it 2568 01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:37,600 doing some type of actions that to me 2569 01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:38,650 doesn't make any sense 2570 01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:40,810 I mean people see you know they see them 2571 01:52:44,630 --> 01:52:42,850 all the time you know how as you say 2572 01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:44,640 just by the way something is flying 2573 01:52:48,180 --> 01:52:46,570 you're not going to be all of a sudden 2574 01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:48,190 you know get to a drawing board and kind 2575 01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:50,770 of figure it out you know real quick 2576 01:52:56,100 --> 01:52:52,810 there was a there was an incident in 2577 01:52:58,140 --> 01:52:56,110 Japan in the early 50s where there was a 2578 01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:58,150 Japanese there was a US Air Force Base 2579 01:53:03,689 --> 01:52:59,280 where Tokyo International 2580 01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:03,699 internationally what is now and while 2581 01:53:07,590 --> 01:53:04,960 the Americans were running it during the 2582 01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:07,600 Korean War this UFO showed up over Tokyo 2583 01:53:12,180 --> 01:53:10,719 Bay right near this airbase and the 2584 01:53:14,729 --> 01:53:12,190 people in the air traffic control tower 2585 01:53:16,590 --> 01:53:14,739 saw it there's actually two shifts there 2586 01:53:19,970 --> 01:53:16,600 is a shift change so twice the number of 2587 01:53:22,649 --> 01:53:19,980 people saw it on radar and visually they 2588 01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:22,659 scrambled jets jets came up picked up 2589 01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:26,170 the UFO on radar and visually basically 2590 01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:27,489 when they just would show up the raid 2591 01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:29,890 the UFO would would disappear the just 2592 01:53:33,450 --> 01:53:31,090 disappeared you'll fall will come back 2593 01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:33,460 but anyway what it was doing was the way 2594 01:53:38,430 --> 01:53:35,440 it was flying was it seemed to be doing 2595 01:53:40,380 --> 01:53:38,440 search patterns over Tokyo Bay flying 2596 01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:40,390 long distance this way and that's the 2597 01:53:45,570 --> 01:53:42,250 way you search for people missing at sea 2598 01:53:48,300 --> 01:53:45,580 you do it in in a grid pattern ready 2599 01:53:51,390 --> 01:53:48,310 yeah so the only thing that that RuPaul 2600 01:53:53,130 --> 01:53:51,400 did captain roof of a Project Blue Book 2601 01:53:54,270 --> 01:53:53,140 was he thought hey this is interesting 2602 01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:54,280 because it really kind of looks like 2603 01:53:58,620 --> 01:53:55,330 these things are flying in an 2604 01:54:00,840 --> 01:53:58,630 intelligent way as opposed to you know a 2605 01:54:02,820 --> 01:54:00,850 bunch of geese flying you know and a 2606 01:54:05,100 --> 01:54:02,830 chevron they're flying in an intelligent 2607 01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:05,110 way where a hive of bees they're just 2608 01:54:09,930 --> 01:54:07,210 going every which way and he thought if 2609 01:54:11,970 --> 01:54:09,940 we can prove that you know your foes are 2610 01:54:14,340 --> 01:54:11,980 flying in some kind of it organized 2611 01:54:15,959 --> 01:54:14,350 intelligent way that's a big step in to 2612 01:54:17,700 --> 01:54:15,969 try to figure out what these things are 2613 01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:17,710 or whether they're just a frequent 2614 01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:20,800 thing of nature okay and he asked for 2615 01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:22,090 the money in the Pentagon didn't even 2616 01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:24,610 the money to study it so yeah that would 2617 01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:26,290 have been a really back in the 50s that 2618 01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:27,760 would have been an interesting thing to 2619 01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:29,770 get into yeah who knows where we could 2620 01:54:32,670 --> 01:54:30,850 have advanced from there 2621 01:54:34,410 --> 01:54:32,680 hey we have a caller on the line Collier 2622 01:54:35,970 --> 01:54:34,420 we don't have a lot of time here but 2623 01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:35,980 your first name and where you're calling 2624 01:54:44,790 --> 01:54:39,900 Lansdale 2625 01:54:46,470 --> 01:54:44,800 a huge fan guys oh hey thank you welcome 2626 01:54:51,500 --> 01:54:46,480 to the show and you have a question for 2627 01:54:53,700 --> 01:54:51,510 Mack well I guess either of you the 2628 01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:53,710 Pentagon and I don't know five this 2629 01:54:58,440 --> 01:54:55,210 entirely correct said there was going to 2630 01:55:00,300 --> 01:54:58,450 be more videos forthcoming and I just 2631 01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:00,310 learned this you could talk about that 2632 01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:06,000 yeah I know a little bit about that be 2633 01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:08,170 interested to hear what you heard yeah 2634 01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:11,040 so that was a question that was asked by 2635 01:55:17,700 --> 01:55:14,710 by people that were posing questions for 2636 01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:17,710 lewis Elizondo for his recent interview 2637 01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:20,170 that was done out in san diego and that 2638 01:55:23,670 --> 01:55:22,000 was at the actually at the UFO congress 2639 01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:23,680 is actually available on my website 2640 01:55:30,810 --> 01:55:26,410 anyone can watch it it's embedded on 2641 01:55:35,209 --> 01:55:30,820 there the podcast UFO comm so his answer 2642 01:55:40,290 --> 01:55:35,219 to that was yes they will be coming out 2643 01:55:42,479 --> 01:55:40,300 exactly when and who knows it's very he 2644 01:55:45,390 --> 01:55:42,489 has to get permission before he can 2645 01:55:47,700 --> 01:55:45,400 actually let that get released so 2646 01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:47,710 there's no hard date exactly when that's 2647 01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:50,290 going to come out but there will be they 2648 01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:52,719 will be working in conjunction once 2649 01:55:57,060 --> 01:55:55,570 again with the New York Times and Leslie 2650 01:55:59,490 --> 01:55:57,070 Kane and they're all going to be 2651 01:56:02,040 --> 01:55:59,500 involved in it according now this that 2652 01:56:04,470 --> 01:56:02,050 part is nothing that Louis Elizondo 2653 01:56:06,860 --> 01:56:04,480 actually said but that part is something 2654 01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:06,870 that when I had a conversation with 2655 01:56:12,420 --> 01:56:09,610 Ralph Bloomfield one of the authors of 2656 01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:12,430 that article he basically said that's 2657 01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:16,000 kind of a word it's kind of in the hands 2658 01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:18,610 of both the Pentagon saying it's okay 2659 01:56:25,229 --> 01:56:22,000 and also the New York Times as far as I 2660 01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:25,239 know that's as far as much of the 2661 01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:34,100 comment that video shut up shut a lot of 2662 01:56:38,569 --> 01:56:35,730 my friends at work up after they saw 2663 01:56:40,069 --> 01:56:38,579 that they were skeptics before and they 2664 01:56:42,260 --> 01:56:40,079 were like alright maybe there's 2665 01:56:44,839 --> 01:56:42,270 something here so I just wanted to add 2666 01:56:46,430 --> 01:56:44,849 that you know I was gonna say the 2667 01:56:49,149 --> 01:56:46,440 Pentagon and the New York Times really 2668 01:56:51,890 --> 01:56:49,159 don't work on very many things together 2669 01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:51,900 it's just this strange bedfellows in a 2670 01:56:57,950 --> 01:56:55,530 way yeah and you know so once again I 2671 01:57:00,319 --> 01:56:57,960 said before I think that most 2672 01:57:01,939 --> 01:57:00,329 interesting thing about this in the the 2673 01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:01,949 video is certainly really interesting in 2674 01:57:05,930 --> 01:57:03,119 the fact that they you know might 2675 01:57:07,729 --> 01:57:05,940 release more is really interesting but 2676 01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:07,739 the question is why why now 2677 01:57:12,919 --> 01:57:10,170 yeah I've I've tried to ask that 2678 01:57:16,850 --> 01:57:12,929 question Mac and it doesn't seem like it 2679 01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:16,860 goes anywhere I just I don't know and 2680 01:57:21,950 --> 01:57:19,050 that's a question that actually Stanton 2681 01:57:25,459 --> 01:57:21,960 Friedman had - the last time I talked to 2682 01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:25,469 him why now and why and who you know 2683 01:57:29,060 --> 01:57:27,210 he's not he's not totally convinced it's 2684 01:57:30,589 --> 01:57:29,070 just you know the Pentagon it might be 2685 01:57:32,899 --> 01:57:30,599 there might be something else going on 2686 01:57:35,899 --> 01:57:32,909 here Mac we're out of time and thanks 2687 01:57:38,979 --> 01:57:35,909 for calling caller thank you all right 2688 01:57:42,140 --> 01:57:38,989 so Mac it's always a great pleasure and 2689 01:57:43,850 --> 01:57:42,150 do tell about when your show airs and 2690 01:57:45,279 --> 01:57:43,860 how someone can watch that I've listened 2691 01:57:48,830 --> 01:57:45,289 to it 2692 01:57:50,959 --> 01:57:48,840 Wow well you know I don't really know 2693 01:57:58,240 --> 01:57:50,969 the truth we run the inception Radio 2694 01:58:02,149 --> 01:57:58,250 Network and the PSN network infinity and 2695 01:58:05,060 --> 01:58:02,159 the power X Network and paranormal UK 2696 01:58:09,740 --> 01:58:05,070 radio network and we're also syndicated 2697 01:58:12,319 --> 01:58:09,750 by the Armed Forces Radio Network and so 2698 01:58:14,629 --> 01:58:12,329 they provide content out content I of 2699 01:58:16,879 --> 01:58:14,639 course was rated Network so yeah really 2700 01:58:18,830 --> 01:58:16,889 I have to do is just Google Mac Melones 2701 01:58:21,260 --> 01:58:18,840 military exile show and see you know 2702 01:58:23,660 --> 01:58:21,270 what what night is on that you can now 2703 01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:23,670 listen to it its own about I don't know 2704 01:58:27,979 --> 01:58:26,010 about 10 times per week on six different 2705 01:58:29,779 --> 01:58:27,989 networks Wow Wow 2706 01:58:31,669 --> 01:58:29,789 alright Mac you take care thanks so much 2707 01:58:33,049 --> 01:58:31,679 okay and thank you thank you very much 2708 01:58:34,370 --> 01:58:33,059 Martin we'll talk to you soon talk to 2709 01:58:37,430 --> 01:58:34,380 you soon all right yeah bye-bye 2710 01:58:39,790 --> 01:58:37,440 alright everyone so that's it for the 2711 01:58:43,250 --> 01:58:39,800 show thanks so much for hanging in and 2712 01:58:44,870 --> 01:58:43,260 listening and we'll be back next week 2713 01:58:48,770 --> 01:58:44,880 now next week there 2714 01:58:50,629 --> 01:58:48,780 not going to be a life of YouTube show 2715 01:58:54,379 --> 01:58:50,639 it will not be live however it will be 2716 01:58:57,500 --> 01:58:54,389 posted and it's another pre-record show 2717 01:58:59,930 --> 01:58:57,510 and it's a real good one and the first 2718 01:59:02,540 --> 01:58:59,940 part of the show is with bill burns and 2719 01:59:05,899 --> 01:59:02,550 he's gonna be talking about Tesla versus 2720 01:59:07,129 --> 01:59:05,909 Edison bill has done some amazing 2721 01:59:09,140 --> 01:59:07,139 research on that 2722 01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:09,150 so he'll be back I mean he will be back 2723 01:59:14,090 --> 01:59:11,610 next week with that and then the second 2724 01:59:16,189 --> 01:59:14,100 part of that show is Bryce Zabel and 2725 01:59:18,979 --> 01:59:16,199 what an interesting and brilliant guy 2726 01:59:21,229 --> 01:59:18,989 that is will be talking UFOs and some 2727 01:59:22,610 --> 01:59:21,239 movies that he's doing so that's it for 2728 01:59:24,910 --> 01:59:22,620 me and I want to thank everyone that 2729 01:59:29,180 --> 01:59:24,920 helps out with the show our guests both 2730 01:59:32,660 --> 01:59:29,190 Alejandro Rojas and Mack Maloney Evan 2731 01:59:35,149 --> 01:59:32,670 for doing the producing and I also want 2732 01:59:37,700 --> 01:59:35,159 to thank Peggy for managing our Facebook 2733 01:59:39,620 --> 01:59:37,710 page you can like us on Facebook there's 2734 01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:39,630 always news stories posted there you can 2735 01:59:45,410 --> 01:59:41,370 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